foreign
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wow this is crazy we were not expecting
this many people in the room so that's
uh
that's really cool but that's also going
to be a challenge because we're going to
do a workshop and workshopping is pretty
difficult with more than 100 people
but we're gonna pull it off thanks for
being here my name is Dennis this is my
colleague Thiago we are with maker Dao
and I'm not going to talk much about
what we do because we don't have time
for that
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um
we are here today to solve some Dow
governance challenges that are real so
like we selected four challenges from
friends from the web free space that are
dealing with some problems
um and we're going to try and find some
some inspiration for that and another
goal is to get some of you more familiar
with uh design thinking methodologies
because it's a really powerful way of
innovating
we actually did a workshop at devconnect
earlier this year in Amsterdam and that
was like a different Workshop it was
like a fully fledged design Sprint with
a small group
um that's what we had in mind for today
but we actually uh yeah we decided to
switch it up a little bit
um a little bit of context a design
Sprint is usually like a workshop quite
an intense Workshop multiple days small
team where you basically
um you innovate and you you validate
ideas so you create a concept and
validate it without actually building
anything like without writing a single
line of code and I think that's uh
something that um yeah the notion of
innovating without building is something
that we should embrace as a space so for
those who haven't heard about design
thinking design Sprint this might be a
good first
experience for you
um what we're going to do today we have
one hour and 40 minutes and we're going
to guide you through a very intense
process at the time is our biggest enemy
today we're going to do Divergent and
convergent thinking so basically
initially we're going to do a brain dump
um where we try and get as much
feedback and no ideas and inspiration
um on the table as possible and then
we're going to do a voting exercise to
create some kind of abstraction and then
we're going to do that again but then
for creating a solution
um the agenda is um we have four
challenge owners from various doubts in
a room they're going to take five
minutes to present their um their
Challenge and give some context and then
we're basically going to break up some
of the tables in this room are going to
be focusing on those challenges
um so we're going to do some kind of the
information
if you don't feel like actively
participating that's completely fine I
mean that's actually welcome because we
have way too many people so if you just
want to listen in
no hard feelings if you just want to
listen in and just walk around please
feel free to do so if you want to commit
to participating please participate and
be here for the full two hours
um
yeah this is what I just mentioned let's
just uh have a look at the challenges
and then we're going to do uh yeah then
we're going to switch to the ideation
process and I'd like to welcome uh
Shelby and Abby from the radical team
hi guys my name is Abby nice to meet you
um I'm the head of community and
governance at radical and I sit on the
board of the radical foundation for
those who don't know radical radical is
basically a protocol ecosystem that's
based building decentralized
collaboration tools for developers
building decentralized Technologies um
and so like the tldr is decentralized
GitHub but it's a lot more things than
that as well and so radical has been on
a journey for the last year or two and
we've been slowly progressively
decentralizing
um uh in our efforts to become like a
truly open source uh free and open
source self-sustaining Community owned
and operated free and open source
project for an open source I said twice
but you get the picture and so over the
last year two years we made a successful
transition from a startup to a
foundation and we launched our
governance token rad and we became a Dao
but if everybody here is has experience
with Dows you know that becoming a Dao
it doesn't just happen when you
technically decentralize there's a lot
of social and political decentralization
that comes along with that so now we're
on our next chapter the first of many
which is furthering our transition to
the Dao by dissolving our foundation
Council which currently manages all of
our project development our core teams
that are contributing to maintaining the
radical stack and replacing that with
decentralized entities that our
contributors run and operate themselves
and restructuring our governance process
along the way
there's a lot more of this on discourse
if you want to learn more at
radical.community but basically our goal
is to create a decentralized
organization that can manage all of our
project development within the Dow
without relying on the intermediary of a
foundation Council and in that process
uh Stuart the emergence of other
organizations within the radical dial
ecosystem by Distributing ownership
influence and supporting you know the
generation of more decentralized
governed entities that all are Steward
and funded by our radical treasury wow
okay so that's the transition so our
challenge
um which is something that we've been
thinking about in this transition we
have four work streams right one is the
actual org design so how do you actually
build an organization for our
contributors to participate in the
second is dowtooling what are the best
tools that we can be using to actually
you know Steward this decentralization
process and then the last two are what
we're going to be talking about today
which is a distribution of ownership and
the distribution of influence so I think
everybody knows that token voting
governance govern Dows are pretty
plutocratic right now if not entirely
plutocratic including radical and we're
trying to change that so first we're
trying to distribute ownership in a way
that better supports the transition of
our project to something more
member-based more
um with highly diverse stakeholder
governance
um that's not plutocratic has more fair
and Equitable qualities and can better
support the long-term sustainability of
the project but we think that that's not
possible without actually introducing a
non-financialized governance layer which
we call influence so our challenge is
about how do we effectively distribute
influence and ownership as separate
financialized governing power which is
tokens and non-financialized power which
is who knows what
um and how do we distribute that amongst
active contributors of the Dow to better
support the transition of our governed
instructor to something static and
plutocratic to something Dynamic and
member-based and more fair and Equitable
so cool thanks so Shelby is right here
so we'll be walking around with our
Challenge and you can ask us any
questions along the way thanks that's
over three minutes that's really
impressive
you can tell that she's done this before
thanks a lot Abby um it's important that
you take note of the challenges because
the idea is that every table picks a
challenge to focus on and then some of
you that might be interested in actively
participating that you really focus on
that challenge so keep that in mind
next up we have uh Peyton from maker Dao
um yeah let's see let's see we have a
lot of problems at maker Dao a lot of
challenges that can be solved so let's
hand it over to Peyton
hi uh my name is Peyton I go by Pros 11
online and I am one of makers governance
facilitators
uh yeah you might have heard a maker
you've probably heard of die I bet in
this room we're probably batting better
than average uh but
I guess our problem with with governance
right uh you'll you'll hear about it in
tweets you'll see about it in news
articles uh but it has to happen all the
time right whether someone's watching or
or I guess whether Everyone's Watching
or just a few people are watching uh
governance is there governance is a risk
that kind of transitions into the
workforce which is this whole separate
thing that intertwines with governance
and is a part of it yet uh is entirely
separate as well
so you might have read the articles of
maker you might have seen uh some bits
of runes grand plan or seen banteg tweet
about how dye's gonna lose its Peg or
what have you but uh
basically uh fundamentally I would like
to argue that the problem that roon is
pitching to try to solve is how might we
reallocate the workforce to be more
efficient
and I don't think this is a problem that
you have to be at the size of make it
out to encounter I think it's
fundamentally a problem of scaling
every Dao starts out with this really
awesome problem which is we have a very
cool solution and not enough people know
about it so what do you do you start
ramping up you start bringing people
into the workforce and giving them jobs
making them contributors having them uh
you know one way or another uh be a part
of your ecosystem
and before too long you realize okay
well maybe our problem isn't that we
don't have enough people who know about
our system now maybe our problem is that
the way we have organized in in an
alternative structure right that uh
typically bucks hierarchy and and
doesn't have a lot of direct reporting
how do we take that and actually make
sure that we are getting the value of
all the talented individuals that have
joined uh organization
so
when I like to approach this problem I I
think it's important to think about two
sides because it's really obvious from
the downside why you might want a more
efficient Workforce right just like
every corporation wants to squeeze out
the most profit your doubt is going to
want to take a look at your Workforce
and say all right how can we get these
people uh to to reach their potential
and to give that value to us
but you also have to think about it from
the worker side
workers endows are incredibly autonomous
right the if they don't want to be there
they'll find something else to do
there's plenty of money in the web
through ecosystem and uh yeah if you're
not thinking about them when you're
trying to solve this problem you're
you're going to fall short
so I want to put in a little plug about
burnout because I think that's a problem
with with tech with uh Dows with our
industry at Large
uh but Studies have shown that like the
key thing you can do to prevent burnout
with an organization is to make sure
people feel valued to make sure that
their work is being appreciated
and the only way that people are going
to appreciate their work is if they feel
like they are making an impact so the
challenge is as you grow as you scale
how do you make sure that the talent you
have is being properly utilized
because whether it's a treasury or
intellectual property if you have a
resource and you're not constantly
checking in making sure that you're
getting the most out of it you're going
to lose efficiency you're going to lose
the battle's entropy and uh you know a
Dao can die
many Dows have died I would not like to
be one of them and I would certainly not
like to be the governor's facilitator if
the Tao were to die so maybe you can
help me today and we can think about how
can we make our Workforce reallocation
be the most efficient way
keeping in mind that there are two
distinct sides we need to think about
the worker and the Dow itself
thanks
thank you very much Peyton
that was really good if there's anyone
at maker who is in in sync in tune with
what's happening at the Dao it's Peyton
so if you can if any of you can somehow
give some kind of inspiration or New
Perspective on this problem that could
be really actually really impactful
because there's actually a lot of maker
people in the room so I hope you can
contribute to this challenge that we're
facing
moving on to the third challenge which
is uh brought forward by zaku from
coordinate
to everybody so I am indeed Zach from
coordinate and for those that don't know
coordinate it's actually a tool to help
employees feel or employees to uh
yeah exactly uh good thing I didn't say
that to help contributors to a dow feel
more appreciated and also compensated so
quickly the way that coordinate works is
um in a circle of contributors they all
have a hundred give tokens and you can
give to other people according to the
value that you've seen them add over
some period of time and then whatever
percentage of the total amount of give
tokens you get you get that percentage
of the budget right so instead of saying
here's our budget for coordinators it's
a hundred thousand and I'm the the
people Ops person and I choose you get
this much and this much you put the
whole pile in the middle of a table and
people basically allocate it to each
other in a decentralized way
um and so the idea is is to get closer
to Value n equals value out right those
contributors that are just like really
crushing it and everyone's really
appreciating here's your chance to
appreciate them with payment and also
write notes to them and tell them about
why you appreciate what they're doing
and then it creates this social graph so
everyone can see who's adding value and
what they're doing so it also helps a
lot with sense making in the Dow that
said
um so my previous company this is the
way that we paid each other for like all
seven years and we always said that the
conversation is actually more valuable
than the allocation itself because as we
were paying each other we were like
here's what you did was awesome here's
what you could do better at coordinate
one of the challenges that we have is
that you have this distribution and so
everyone's and it's all transparent and
you can see like oh wow Sally got this
much and wait why did she get that much
more than me and why did Steve get this
much to Camille and wait what's what's
going on right
um and and so the sense making part and
really understanding especially like as
a dialect what do we value is this
person getting more because they're more
public in their role or is it because
what they're doing is super valuable
like are we allocating according to what
we really think is in line with the
mission that we're trying to achieve and
so the question really is like how do we
asynchronously do sense making because
it's just not practical to say we're
going to have our coordinate retro and
all 40 people are going to meet and on
zoom we're all going to talk about what
happened we are doing lots of MVPs with
like small groups and pulse surveys and
things like this but there's a lot of
issues in Dallas when they get sensitive
and you know if you just start writing
on Discord like that encourages a very
certain kind of conversation it's
obviously like we are not evolved to be
text-based communicators all most of our
communication is non-verbal and now
we're trying to do this through screens
around really sensitive topics
especially in coordinates case around
like compensation which gets into how
people feel valued and you know these
are like really hot topics and there's a
lot more I'm sure in in all the Dows
you're a part of and so how can we
address these really sensitive and
nuanced topics and do sense making in an
asynchronous decentralized way
um you know obviously like coming
together as a team is the best way but
that's not usually possible
um so yeah this is the sticky problem
that that we're going to be talking
about
thanks Zach
interesting stuff and I think for some
of us we can relate so yeah
let's move on to the fourth challenge uh
posed by Patricia from Euler Finance I
always said Euler Finance but it's
actually Euler
so I've heard so yeah let's give her a
hand and let's hear what she has to say
[Applause]
hey guys so yeah I'm from Euler Finance
it's pronounced as Euler this is
not called Yola it's it's wrong so our
protocol that nobody even knows how to
pronounce the name and that kind of
reflects the the governor's problems
we're currently facing which is like low
Community engagement because the product
itself is less well known and at the
same time it's highly technical
so oil of Finance is uh learning
empowering protocol so you can think of
us as a similar to Ave but way more
complex with a way more functionality
building and the code is just like
extremely difficult to understand for
average technical person
um so the problem we're currently facing
is basically uh like we launched around
around like uh November last year so
right before like everything crashed
basically and we did the token launch
about uh in in my
um that was like when the market was
like pretty bad and we didn't do uh
public Token Lounge with like the token
sales with services so from that side
it's like there's very little people to
be fair that I have vested interest
within the protocol and a lot of the
technical people were trying to onboard
right now they do not have a vested
interest within the protocol they do not
have the token
at the same time the thing we have is
the governance is like we're trying to
have the governance to decide on the
parameters of the protocols such as like
learning and borrowing factors we
thought that would be the best way to
decentralize the protocol to make it
really permissionless learning and
boring and listening for us as to be
clusters however no what we realized is
that not everyone have that knowledge to
be calculating classical factors a lot
of people within our community that are
most active have very little tokens at
the same time do not have the knowledge
to be calculating those risk parameters
I do not have the knowledge to be
participating within the in the
discussion so that's like the main
problem we're facing is that where we
we're trying to lead the governance to
be like and what the governance is
currently at
um so the problem that was like I'm
presenting today uh the problem that I'm
trying to ask you all to contribute and
help you to solve is how can we solve uh
the community engagement problem within
a highly technical protocol Community uh
the thing about Euler as a protocol a
baby protocol has a baby governance
everything is very primitive the very
little uh people have vested interests
and people like outside of the community
or even within the community cannot even
pronounce the name of the protocol
so that's a problem we're currently
facing and I think it's a problem that
exists across a lot of like other
technical protocols identify protocols
and I think it's something that in
general how do we encourage people that
currently do not have the knowledge to
be participating at the same time
encourage those who have the knowledge
to be participating in the governance
and be contributing
so
awesome thank you Patricia
cool
so as I said we have four really uh we
have real governance challenges that
we're gonna that we're gonna focus on
today
um what we had in mind is that every
table can pick their own uh challenge
but maybe we need to do it a bit smarter
because we only have a bunch of
facilitators and we can't really have
them walk around the whole room so I'm
just going to macgy for this if I have
the Mandate I would say I'm just going
to point out a few tables and a number
and if you really want to join a
particular Challenge and you can just
move to the table with otherwise I would
suggest you just stay where you are and
try to share your input the whole goal
is to cross-pollinate right I think you
all have different perspectives
different uh uh work experience and I'm
really curious what's going to come out
of that so what I'm going to do is I'm
going to assign these four tables so
this row to the reticle challenge
because we have two radical facilitators
I think they can handle this this row of
four tables
then we have
um these
three I would say
I would assign them to Patricia
so this this and this so that is
Challenge number four and that is
Challenge number uh uh one
sorry yeah
okay and then we have one two three four
that's maker
one two three four so you're going to be
talking about uh the Second Challenge
and then we have one two three that's
going to be coordinate
does it make sense do you all know which
challenge you you uh you're assigned
with your table and again if you really
want to join a particular challenge feel
free to move around and try and organize
I'm going to give you a few minutes for
it in the meantime I'm just going to
continue talking just to explain what we
have in mind
um once again we have an ideation
um process that we're going to guide you
through we have a bunch of uh materials
on your table
and you're going to need that to do the
ideation let's take two minutes to
organize yourselves and then we're gonna
just continue
all right everyone we're at time
and I just want to make sure that we're
not mixing up stuff so I'm can I have
everyone's attention please time is at
the essence thank you very much I'm
going to walk past each of the table and
I want you to shout which Challenge
number
you are working on just to make sure
we're on the same page three two one
three two one
three two one okay this is all radical
three two one four so you are uh
Euler finance and that one also okay so
we actually have two tables Euler
Finance right because these what are you
working on
two that's maker right and you
maker
and maker and over there
three and three okay so we actually have
two tables for Zach two tables for
Patricia
we have three tables for Payton for
maker and we have four tables for a
reticle that's correct right
awesome then I think we're ready to go
we're going to have the inner
facilitators right the challenge owners
they're going to be at your tables and
they're going to be available for uh
helping with the ideation because we
actually briefed them a little bit but
also to give more Challenge on the on
the yeah more context about the
challenge
um I'm going to hand the mic over to my
colleague Thiago and we're going to talk
about the ideation uh practices please
uh please pay attention because yeah
we're gonna have to do this
asynchronously now so let's get it
Thiago
all right so this is the fun part
brainstorming
uh just a bit of recap so you're gonna
follow this process of Divergent and
conversion ticking so first we come you
come up with as many ideas as possible
literally open your brain then you're
gonna have one one voting process called
democracy so you need to select the most
likable ideas uh then you so this this
will be around the opportunity area and
then we're gonna do this loop again
diverging but hopefully come up already
with more craft solution and we're gonna
convert again using the Democracy
hopefully find a solution that we are
all happy with in within your table
um
so
we a lot of people we move around so
maybe just take five minutes to
introduce yourself you don't need to
tell the story of our life just your
name where you work and why you join
this Workshop just take five minutes to
within your group introduce yourself
give a little round one minute per each
just real quick
yeah now now so now just within your
group just give a round of introductions
that's it then then we'll then we'll
move on
just make sure we know each other
we get along
hope everyone know each other now a bit
a bit better within your group uh we're
gonna start the first exercise
uh yeah so so this is just a quick way
to download your brains to brain them uh
it's a conversation starter uh so the
first exercise uh there are blank sheets
on your table uh please just use one or
two divide into three columns and then
write I like I wish and I wonder
uh and there we will everyone will be
putting posters on each column
so in the I like colon so this will be
uh something that inspires you something
that is you already know these are
resistance existing Solutions uh yeah so
just some references on the I wish uh
yeah so based on this existing Solutions
maybe there's something that could be
improved uh maybe there are new features
that you thought out so that will be on
the I wish kotlin and then finally we
have the I wonder colon so this will be
solutions that don't exist just yet so
be more your future Vision you can free
your brain a bit more uh maybe you
wonder if this is feasible this be
possible maybe you'll do a bit of
reflection about any unintended
consequences
um yeah so it's more the future
scenarios
um again so three columns I like I wish
I wonder one or two blank sheets per per
table you you so you're going to give
ourselves uh eight minutes for this
exercise now
do it introspectively in silence unless
you want to explain what you mean or
someone don't understand explain to your
table
um
yeah so let's uh
let's get started eight minutes
good luck
I still wear a lot of talking I really
suggest doing it in silence
respect the process my friends
stick to the process
the purpose is to just get a download of
everyone's brain based on their
perspective and their experience
stop talking start writing
make sure to add them to the sheets
immediately so you prevent people from
writing down duplicates
the goal is to get as many Post-its on
that sheet per table so write them down
put them on the sheet
and we're going to do a voting exercise
per table afterwards
we are almost at half time
maybe there's anything in particular
like
something that you know of some
experience that is quite unique to you
that might be a source of inspiration
for the others on your table
all right I see many Post-its on the
table
too many
too much information to download in
those brains I can see
all right all right so
don't worry it's not a we don't need
Perfection we just need some uh we just
just needed some information to get the
conversation started uh
now of course I'm sure there are
different uh Solutions on the table so
you need to
align our brains within their own groups
so where this system it's called dot
democracy
uh so do democracy is just a way to help
you votes on the most likable
items that you have on the table just
just find some alignment within your
home group
so you'll have five minutes
and now you are short on Sharpies but uh
yeah share share your pens around use
your pens to to place three dots uh
three dots per person and per colon on
your on your most likable items
um and there are maybe there are similar
items try to Cluster them a little bit
um and uh yeah see what's the the spirit
in your table let's see what uh what
your what your group like the most so
let's
um yeah let's take five minutes to vote
again three three dots per person per
per colon
okay everyone please make sure that you
just look at what's on the table and
place those dots we're going to do
discussion afterwards
we have five minutes
remember no cheating three dots per
person per column
you can put multiple dots on one item if
you'd like
we have about two minutes remaining make
sure you use your votes
we want to have a nice heat map of where
the most interesting
opportunity areas are
Let's uh last 20 seconds
so for now the goal is just to make sure
you have an alignment within your table
in terms of opportunity area you'll have
time to do this for the discussion
all right all right I know I know you're
ready ahead of the game into the
discussion part so that's good uh so
just make sure you look again to the
postage you have on the table
make sure you look at the find the hit
map you you find the ones that the ones
with the most dots
um
and again this is not to come up with
the solution just yet try to focus on
the opportunity areas for the time being
so let's uh
let's give us 8 minutes just to find the
right opportunity area
so just to clarify
you don't need to look at all the
postage just look at the Post-its with
the most dots those those are the ones
we are converging at the moment so to
look at the possibility of the most dots
those those are the ones where your
brain should be focused on and for now
it's just opportunity areas we'll have
another session based on Solutions
alright folks we have about five minutes
left and the aim is that after five
minutes
within your table you have a good sense
of where the opportunity is so just have
a bunch of Post-its that are your
favorites that's super important
all right last one more minute for the
to find the right opportunity area
try to converge in one
just one single opportunity area
again rely on your facilitators they are
the governance experts
they know the challenge mode more than
anyone
foreign
I know most of you are freestyling going
with your home methods and that's
totally fine but uh I mean this is also
a good one so it's called
uh Crazy Eights so basically yeah you
uh So based on the opportunity area that
your table selected uh we're gonna come
up with we call it crazy eight Solutions
so you can either draw or or write
whatever is easy for you to to to depict
the solution so this is more a concept
creation
um
you can go a bit uh wildly nonsense but
uh we are trying to diverge as much as
possible but again focus on the
challenge focus on the opportunity area
try to stick to one meet one minute uh
per post it one idea per post it and
since we are many groups maybe try to
come up have a two two sheets on the
table uh try to have a two crazy eight
sheets on the table and again we're
gonna have uh eight minutes for each for
for this exercise
um yeah let's get started
yeah maybe just to clarify because
everyone can we have attention here
please Crazy Eights
hey hello thank you very much Crazy
Eights is a bit of an abstract one so
you need to understand it well it's also
the most fun one and the idea is that
you make a sketch of your idea it can be
like a drawing it can be a diagram it
has to fit on a Post-It so it has to be
really succinct and you're actually
going to make eight very rapid
iterations so we're going to do very
strict time keeping after one minute you
you leave that posted alone you move on
to the next one
so each table only has about two or
three of those sheets so we actually
need
two or three people on the table to step
forward maybe someone who's good at
drawing because this requires some
drawing skills and when everyone's ready
probably in like two minutes or so make
sure you make some room on your table
get the drawers prepared
and then we're going to do eight short
cycles of one minute where you just draw
and you iterate on one idea and of
course the idea is that you use all of
the previous stuff as inspiration for
this single solution that you're going
to draw
let's take two minutes to get organized
and then we're actually going to start
with the one minute cycle so let's get
ready
another good thing to know the nice
thing about Crazy Eights is it excavates
your subconscious to to participate in
the in the creative process so really
trust that just pick something if you're
not sure yet just pick something and
just go for it let's just create a
solution
so to clarify every minute you make a
new version of the same idea so you
basically have eight versions of the
same idea
all right everyone
attention please where are we are about
to start so um once again
I hope you're ready we're going to start
the timer in a few seconds
we need if you need a few more minutes I
think okay
okay I think we should just start let's
just go for it
make sure that every sheet has one
person who's going to make the drawings
you pick one idea that you're going to
try and explain in a drawing
and you just use one of the boxes to try
and draw it and you have one minute to
do so after one minute you move on to
the next box and you try again and you
have eight versions of the same drawing
basically
we are going to start the timer
in three
two
one
start
drawing
it can be a user interface it can be a
drawing it can be a diagram
as long as it explains the solution that
your work that you've been working on
10 seconds remaining for the first
drawing
I'll leave you to it keep going in a few
minutes we'll move on to a discussion
all right everyone Let's uh let's do a
quick pause here
so we are uh nearing the end of the
workshop and the idea is that you still
have some time you have eight minutes in
total
to prepare
Your solution and and your explanation
to other tables so in short
in eight minutes I'm going to ask each
of the tables to share
your biggest takeaway or like the tldr
or maybe anything that you're struggling
with just try and give some kind of
abstract
of the value that you've been creating
and try to share it with another table
I'll give you eight minutes to prepare
that and now we still have some time to
cross pollinate between the tables good
luck
all right everyone Let's uh take a
moment here
let's take a moment here
Please assign one person on your table
that's going to uh to do the talking and
the idea is
if it's correct each table has been
assigned another table that they're
going to talk to and you're just going
to explain what you came up with it can
be a tldr of your ID it can be the main
takeaway it could also be if you've been
struggling just share that the main
challenges that you run into
assign one person and then we're going
to take time to explain it to the other
table uh let's go
lovely people we're going to be kicked
out in one minute so I'd like to ask you
to wrap up
make sure you hand your final drawing to
the challenge owner so they can make a
picture of it
and most importantly don't forget to
Mint your paw up by scanning the QR code
dear friends we're gonna be kicked out
thank you very much for your energy for
your participation Round of Applause
you've been fantastic I hope we're gonna
find some gems in the output we'll
figure it out over the next few hours
thanks a lot don't forget your bow app
and have a great conference