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thank you hi
everybody hello wow it's so way more
people than I thought when I walked in
there were like five people thank you so
much for coming on time awesome so uh my
talk is actually about cultivating the
underst story and how many of you guys
are actually familiar with the concept
of underst story here
okay one oh how many of you guys
actually never heard of a word under
story before wow is that a is not a new
is not a it's not an English word can
someone tell
me not sure okay yeah so under story is
something that I DBL into like recently
last few years uh as I
really become a like a nature inspired
uh entrepreneur that's what I kind of
introduce myself uh and I'm like so into
this plurality and The Duality and in
and yang and Harmony and balance that's
what I'm mostly focusing on this day and
when I think about like design in
community I always go back to Nature and
I try to get inspiration and then now I
found the concept of overstory and under
story and I want to take you guys to a
journey with me to the forest today and
it's not um about I'm going to share
something complet completely new to you
it's more like I'm want to zoom out and
then really share what you already know
but rediscovering with me does it sounds
good awesome cool yeah so in a healthy
Forest what's really happening is
actually um there's a underst story and
an over story an overstory is uh what
you see avol the ground which is like
plants trees canopies and big big big
things that is so visible that you
always get distracted by but to have a
healthy trees and healthy overstory you
would need an underst story that is
healthy as healthy as that without
underst story you would not have a
healthy overstory right so what's in the
under story which is basically a network
of roots and a fungi system and soil
organism that is um so important but
it's not visitable enough and it make
all the life of possible and this
underst story is not just a supporting
role of the forest but it's actually the
foundation so without that soil system
there is no roots growing and then no K
can canopy or no trees growing right so
our Dow is actually metering those a
forest system imagine our human
coordination and our community and our
team is also so hi distracting me um uh
is a forest then we inow space right now
obsessed with our visual structure like
our token system our onchain governance
and uh the Frameworks and toomics and
the voting and everything that is uh not
really a underst story when you look at
it and it's so much of like okay I'm the
tree I want Sun I want to be higher so
that's all the energy that we are
spending to grow over story but not
taking care of the under story yeah so I
am oh I went
back so but if our Dow system and our
community our team is like just like a
forest
imagine if we keep feeding only the
overstory and it's just admiring without
putting investing our energy and time
into the under story what's going to
happen and our success is purely depends
on something that are far less
visible that is in the under story so
what is that so my name is SII uh I am
from Korea living in different parts of
the world uh I built one of the first
Bitcoin SMS wallet in the
2012 13 and after that I build a did
system and then uh last five years I've
been ding into this community
design governance design and building
real resilient Community which is very
hard uh I've been doing a lot of
different experiment bringing Web Two uh
and web 3 and together and also bringing
ancient wisdom into the technology
spaces so I call myself like crypto
Anthropologist if that makes sense so
that's who I am I just wanted to unpack
today with you guys what is that under
story and don't be surprised again it's
not something new you already know what
that is is actually oh sorry it's
actually you you guys are the underst
story I will tell you a little bit more
what is that mean when I say you is
actually your story it's actually your
experience it's actually your belief
system and it's a value system do you
carry it's it's hidden assumption do you
carry and it's a cultural background and
cultural wisdom that you actually carry
with you and that's the under story and
how many of you guys here actually felt
like I've heard by my team member
fully okay one two great and how many of
you guys have feel like you know what
they actually know my
story my journey all right but not still
not my majority of it yeah and how many
of you guys
actually saw witness the team member
that are absolutely great Builder but
left the team because of the human
issue
more and how many of you guys have feel
like I'm not really fully connected with
the mission of organization unless the
founders doesn't count if you're an
employee you know like um you know what
I kind of get it I'm doing this for
money but I'm not really connected and
convinced and is there's no
communication whatsoever they don't feel
like they don't treat me as a as a a
person but more like a tool or have you
ever experienced that
before okay good yeah so I just wanted
to show you guys not just a feeling of
what's missing but what's really missing
in the industry and this is the number
uh a $359
billion is annually spent to solve the
human conflict in the traditional
organization and also 40% of almost
every manager's time which is a two full
day is spend on human
coordination and also
213% of a brilliant key contributor of a
salary a 200 233% of their salar is
actually spending to replace them so
there is a it's not just like a feeling
or sad or you know I'm not hurt I'm not
sin it's actually the organization
spending so much time and energy and
resource to solve that understory issue
so if you're neglecting understory this
is the money that you spent okay you say
like oh you know what this is like
traditional organization number but in
Dow is actually worse right these
challenges are intensify during during
the Dow action and work because
traditional organization at least they
have some rule they have a clear
contract and they have to deliver some
certain thing and then they come to the
office every day they work together they
eat together they try something whatever
they can do but still it takes so much
resource
to solve all this human issue and
cultural issue in Dow our work across a
time zone and a culture and the value
system is all different and our
governance tools are often just assuming
the rationality of it but not touching
emotional or context enough and also our
focus on the trustless system like we
focus so much over like building Trust
system and we sometimes forget that what
we are yawning for is actually the trust
so that's what's happening in Dows
and how are we addressing this you know
I don't think I've never been in a dow
that is have like a trillions whatever
like so much of like resources and in
the treasury that focusing on this as
their first priority and what happened
is they actually lose a lot of their
trade treasuring money they even shut
down because of human issue I've been in
the space for like more than 12 years
I've seen so many time teams broken
including my own team teams break
project break break and Community
disappear because of the human issue
it's not about technology it's not about
uh uh a government framework right so
you guys kind of get it where I'm
heading right now yeah so to do that
again we have to invest in the underst
story of the forest we have to have like
really healthy soil to make sure that
our trees are growing well and
it's
um here we go yeah and what we are
missing when we design
community and
Dows we miss often the person you know
when when we talk about Dow
decentralized autonomous organization I
always put a first you know you we have
to be autonomous human being to be
connected with the decentralized network
then you become an organization or
organism whatever you want to call it
without a focusing on
individual autonomous being there is no
decentralized network that is connected
you know if you are not ready if you're
not willing to take uh conflict if
you're are not willing to openly
communicate if you're are not willing to
actually invest in yourself to become a
better person so you can actually
function in the very complex uh society
which is Da uh it's really important
that we actually pay attention to myself
and to each other so your story your
experience your worldview these are like
when you pay attention um to those
things and sometimes you know when we
share our story people like oh it's not
needed you you guys probably experienced
even here when you walk into the
conference the first thing people ask
you is like what do you do it's not
about who you are so what do you do
what's your job are you relevant to me
are you giving me something are are we
transition a relationship uh if it's not
valuable for me the people just walk
away I mean it make sstem a little less
but if you go like somewhere else it's
like really like a jungle right it's
like everybody like okay what do you
have what do you have this is what I
have like show me my card and if it
doesn't connect we're done and we just
wasting our time and energy but if you
really sincerely care about that person
in including your team member and then
your Dow people to ask what's your story
what's your experience why are you
thinking that way that I cannot
understand sometimes and just unpack
those story it's not a distraction from
the work and actually they are the
foundation of your relationship and your
work and your doubt so that's I kind of
key message that I want to uh bring it
up so then now I know okay your story
and our individual story our individual
value system is underst story then how
can we cultivate that right and often
time we are human that people think that
we know what we're doing and how we
interact with other human but sometimes
it's really hard um and I have like a
specific four nature related elements
that I want to share with you guys um
and this is a basically again using the
undor uh narrative and then there is a
four thing that I want to share with you
guys and this is the order right like I
mean not order to do what you do but
like this is in order so uh thinking
about like following the journey again
the number one is actually a context so
when you start uh conversation with your
team member if you're a leader you want
to create this is really safe space for
everybody and then try to cultivate the
under story of your team you have to
understand the context is number one
thing that you do in our nature system
is like a living soil so everything
begin with a context and it's a soil a
component right and um when there is no
soil there's nothing can grow and the
soil mean being here is like your lived
experience cultural wisdom personal
motivation and then hidden assumption so
you have to unpack that through uh
anyhow with a conversation or there's a
lot of different technique that you can
use to unpack those things and number
two when the soil is there the first
networks form uh as a communication so
once you the the soil is very rich and
star fungus system you know like a
melium system start forming together
it's like a connecting the new neuron
and also um kind of like a initial
pathway for resource to connect and all
these things you I hope you guys are
following me with the visually uh and
once that's done the information is uh
start to flowing naturally and the trust
in the network is start to arise and
then invisible connection is formed that
people start to feel comfortable and
safe and then stories and ideas are cing
up only once you connected well and have
a good
context and uh number three is a
coordination so finally now we have a
soil now we have a A fungi system and
then what's happened is the root system
start to grow and that's our
coordination so with with a strong very
healthy rich soil and then uh a strong
communication Network that coordination
you don't need to do anything people
will start coordinate by themselves we
don't need to tell them to do that so it
will just form slowly and like a root
system grows you know sometimes you find
like a roots in the on the street
they're like why why are you here you
cannot ask them because they just do
things what they supposed to do and
that's what's going to happen in our Dow
system so if you're a leadership just
remember have a very clear context and
then a context is building huge huge
huge rich soil and then you just do a
little bit of a sporing to build that A
fungi system and then coordination will
happen automatically without having so
much effort but last thing it will be uh
interesting take uh I'm I'm I love to
hear your thought on this uh is a
conflict I love conflict and and
conflict is extremely important without
conflict there is a no diversity and
when I say conflict is actually you can
take that as a resource once you have a
good soil good fungi system good root
system actually the conflict is
maximizing your growth you know you know
like sometimes we say trees when you
give them uh a stress they actually
produce a bigger uh fruit and even more
sweeter fruits so imagine the confli is
being that a great motivator and the
driver for the evolution uh and I
sometimes when I create a com not
compling create a a community in D I
call it a community of per fermentation
so I just like a give a perment uh um a
fermenting period so conflict just
automatically arise without peration
what happened there's no gimchi there's
no souro it takes time but it's the
order right so I just really encourage
like for uh Community to really explore
themselves where the conflict is and
once you have a good soil a conflict is
nothing to be afraid of but it's more to
encouraged and then really using that to
grow better so that's kind of my uh four
different uh simple nature analogy and
these are so simple that you can
actually review and then revise um uh
today at night when you go to bed like
huh some says the four C's right context
communication and coordinate and
conflict just remember those four thing
and I hope you using this for your for
understory cultivation they'll be
amazing and my last words um it's a
thank you slide but I love being in a
forest I really believe we are missing
out a lot not tapping into our natureal
analogy and the natureal wisdom so once
you go out to the forest and when you
walk into the forest you don't have to
think much you just walk around and
after that what do you feel you feel
healed you feel like oh you know what
actually now I feel way better but it's
a completely effortless so one question
that I have if we imagine creating our
organization and community and Dows
truly designed and operated by the
Nature's wisdom and the pattern of
nature what's going to happen I'm
already experiencing with some of the
community that we recently started with
a complete nature analogy and then
nature wisdom and people are saying you
know what this is actually really
helpful and I feel like a better person
so how cool would that be if we create
something uh that is so much like a
forest that is a functioning for us so
people walk into our community walk into
our Dow when they leave when they are in
the forest they say you know what being
in this community actually saved my life
or being in this community changed my
life and being in this community really
healed
me I think it's possible and then Dow is
no longer just the technology and voting
system governance framework we can go
beyond and we should be go beyond and
I'm really really looking forward to
build those um amazing nature uh
inspired Dows with you all thank you so
much should I be here that's awesome
that's awesome son thank you so much for
sharing all that knowledge with us and
all the experience so we are going to
start the Q&A round we have two
questions
uh here on the on the screen and then
we'll we'll go with you so can a person
be so bad for your soil that it's better
to ask them to leave if they can't be
helped to
change great question whose question is
this thank you yeah do you know soil
also rot you know not all the soil is
actually good soil if the soil is like
getting bad you have to take it out and
they live it somewhere and then you burn
burn it or you do whatever you need to
do and I oh the question is is can we go
back to the question sorry yeah
yeah and then um there is a something
that you can do uh you know when the
soil is actually not healthy that you
can give them a different nutritions to
make it better by using different
compost materials whatever organism that
that that the soil is required to do uh
you can test the soil and you can
actually find out what kind of nutrition
the soil needs and you can provide that
but the when soil is bed it's really rot
then you have to take it out otherwise
it will spread right so that's kind of
my answer happy to cheat more and uh
nice and we have another one are
imperson connections necessary or just
helpful for this cultural Connections in
a DA I love this question thank you so
much for reading my mind yes yes yes
100% % you need iners connection cuz
what iners connection does it's not
about just like oh you know what it's
nice to have meal with you and it's just
like haha ho ho sharing story you're
actually sharing a space with them and
you get to understand way better because
you're not only using a two senses which
is a writing and then sing but you're
using all of your sense to understand
the other person so it's a way better
quality of conversation or communication
that you will have so you need to have
like if you're your D I strongly
recommend at least every six month GA it
together but not just for like football
game or ping pong game or for drinking
you know you have to have like a very
clear agenda how you want to share that
time because it's not easy to fly around
and then meet together and spending long
enough time to actually build this under
story uh so this is another thing that
I'm actually doing uh as a profession
which is the EXP exp designing for the
teams and endows so if you're really
curious about how to build the underst
story and then meaningful iners
Gatherings I'm here to help so talk to
me but I strongly recommend and I wish
we have more time so I can share more
about the key uh uh secret recipe uh I
know there is some people who actually
already participate in the inperson
Gatherings that I was in can you raise
your hands if you were part of anything
that I designed before thank you so
these people you can go ask them and how
different it
was awesome now we have a question here
from the
audience hi SII hi this is matali I
wanted to ask you
um and sorry if this is a little
personal um when you reflect and go to
your past has there been any moment of
either conflict or Affliction in a
relationship ship whether personal or
professional which you feel now after
embodying like um learnings from nature
and learnings from the forest that you
would deal with differently and if so
then how yeah there's very good
questions
um I didn't see conflict as a resource
from the beginning on yeah I was really
afraid of dealing with a conflict as a
Asian that's what we do we just like
swallow it and then like pass pass pass
uh but at some point I couldn't avoid
anymore so what happened was that I was
avoiding I was angry I was like try to
do not to face it but like Angry is also
part of like I think avoiding in some
way because angry means that you express
your feeling but you are not actually
communicating you're just like shouting
at one to the to the other person so
when that happened and eventually
actually that conflict the energy took
me over and it put me down uh and uh
that was a time that I kind of gave up
and then I found another way then I
start meditating I doing something so
that was I would say it's a failed a
conflict resolution but everybody
probably have to go um not that deep but
like in certain way that I'm you know
I'm done with this and I'm just and you
walk away you feel like oh you know what
me walking away from this it make me
feel so good and giving me peace peace
and that's actually good walkway but if
you feel like I truly truly actually
don't want this and I actually avoid it
and you have like something in your
heart and I have like a relationship
that I still haven't resolved and it's
such a little thing and it's been like
10 years right it's like back of your
mind all the time when you think of
conflict um and when I think about like
a nature
analogy I think the compost thing is
really important so when we attach to to
the one particular relationship that
everything has to be good all the time
it means that we are not honoring the
seasonality of it so we want this to be
always spring and always summer but not
uh understanding there is a winter
coming so I think using that seasonal
analy to understand the conflict and
also so many other things it could be
helpful so when when when the winter
comes you know the trees lose their
leaves and then they all become rotten
and what happened in the spring is what
is actually needed from the nutrition
that was there whatever needs to come
out come out in the spring and the
composting is need to be done well uh so
I would say uh conflict face
it honor it accept it even if you're
heart and there is a particular way that
you can actually manage conflict in the
group and the doubts and uh I'm happy to
share our conflict resolution um kind of
agreement every doubt that I created
every committe I created we always
making conflict conflict agreement or
conflict resolution agreement because
it's sometimes too late when the
conflict Ares and there is no rule or no
code of conduct it's really hard to in
in place later so it's always good to
have a complete resolution as a
prevention so you can actually um uh uh
when the bad act come after the
confliction based on this you can
actually make decision so those are the
things also kind of nature analogy yeah
without fixing it but like prepare yeah
I hope that answers your question thank
you that was beautiful thank you SII
please put your hands together for S
thank you so much C and C thank you