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hi folks I'm Josh I'm a mathematician at
Oxford and Stanford and a the executive
director of medigov one of the
organizations you see up there
and this is going to be a workshop on
open problems in Dao science how does
that mean
uh oh okay it works
all right so this is actually a series
of workshops that have been hosted at uh
events over the past year beginning with
Amsterdam
uh following up with the researching
web3 workshop and most recently at the
Stanford dial Workshop part of the
science of blockchains conference uh
obviously at Stanford and this is kind
of like an exploration or a long-term
project to build up this field this new
field of research of Dow science and
maybe a good framing for this to
understand where we're coming from and
how this is down science or Dow research
might be distinguished from you know
typical things going on in the industry
is that the framing for this for the
questions that we want to ask
are not you know three months or six
months or even a year down the line it's
really asking a question
what will Dallas look like 10 years from
now will they still exist
how could they possibly disrupt the
existing infrastructure for let's say
corporate governance or other modes of
governments like non-profit governance
and there's a bet that we've released
that maybe you could help sharpen this
and the bet is Imagine by 2032 imagine
if daos or other digitally constituted
organizations
controlled and managed over 50 percent
of the assets
of the U.S economy or just the global
economy just imagine if 50 of the entire
company was managed by Dallas what would
that look like could you imagine today's
Dows doing anything like that
uh personally I can't
but you know that's exactly what we're
trying to change through research
now uh I want to share today we're going
to do a little exercise uh and it's
going to spend most of today uh speaking
amongst ourselves in these small groups
uh so just you don't have to be
comfortable hanging out with each other
for the next 30 minutes hope you're okay
with that uh the idea here is we're
going to do a little funding exercise so
over the past several workshops of open
problems and downscience we've you know
come up with lists of open problems uh
lists of problem Source not only from
practitioners but also from researchers
in academics
now what we want to do we've also
sourced a more concrete research
proposals that are derived and
synthesized from setting some of these
open problems and now we'd like to
present a selection of these proposals
to you and over the next 30 minutes
we're going to talk about well what you
want would you actually fund them you
know as practitioners or sometimes as
giving newbies to this space like do
these things like make sense to you do
they reflect or answer or respond to any
of the problems that you care about and
you'll have a chance to sort of allocate
rank some of these proposals allocate
them and to give us a sense of what are
the priorities of the ecosystem you know
what kind of research should we be doing
and this is really just an access of
course there are like infinite uh
proposals that you can consider but we
thought this would be a really nice way
to kind of interface with some proposals
have been developed by academics and
leaders Within These ecosystems and then
try to understand you know trying to
engage how would you might be do this
better or if you're interested in
engaging with some of this research I
can also connect you to the um to some
of the academics and the researchers who
wrote These proposals
okay uh so with that said I'm gonna put
down a
QR code and everybody can uh
go to that you can also if you don't
have a phone just enter that short link
down there this bit dot Lee slash Devcon
Dash Dao
and that should take you to a
spreadsheet uh and a series of
worksheets now uh I was completely
underestimated the amount of people that
will be in this room right now
um I honestly thought uh there would be
like at most five tables of around like
30 people I think we actually have
capacity here around 120. okay which is
going to be great because we're gonna
get lots of data and has lots of great
conversations uh but I'm gonna count
down so just note your table because
you're going to be each table is going
to be assigned to a worksheet and that's
first off uh do people have people found
the spreadsheet you can see what's in
there okay great
um so I'm going to count down the tables
from here so it's going to be table one
table two three four in the back
five
six seven
you're seven eight nine ten eleven
twelve thirteen fourteen I'm glad I can
count because uh that is exactly the
number of uh
sheets in that spreadsheet and I want
you to go through that spreadsheet and
you'll find links to these proposals
and descriptions and you'll you'll be
able to go through the entire thing so
what I would like you to do uh
well I think this thing
doesn't work oh no never mind okay so
for the first five minutes and I'm gonna
break shortly and I'll just walk around
and sort of answer questions but in the
first uh five minutes I really encourage
you to just take a short time to
introduce yourselves to the table see
what kind of backgrounds are you like is
it mostly developers technical people
non-technical social scientists or some
I know there are definitely some
researchers interest person here uh
briefly introduce yourselves and then
just chat you know go through these
proposals try to understand them talk
about like what's what's missing what's
good what's bad
come up with a ranking and then you can
allocate uh 10 million dollars
Associated there uh across these
proposals at the end uh the last 10
minutes or so we're going to synthesize
some of those uh conclusions and we'll
talk about and we'll have kind of an
open question to answer a session where
we can talk about what are the
priorities for Dow science and how can
we learn uh what kind of new things do
we need to learn
all right with that I'll break and we'll
start these breakouts
one minute
put in your rankings and your
allocations oh my God
you're really giving that much money to
that
put in your number see the numbers
change
all right
the people who have uh already put in
their things
oh
come on people there's no need to
sabotage Dallas for non-profits it's
building public goods
uh all right
uh I know yes there's a problem too many
people are editing at the same time so
it's actually not allowing you to edit
uh maybe this is uh telling you you
should have gotten your rankings early
in earlier on okay uh so why don't we
see what we have right now
and uh okay could you actually uh
what do we have okay granular Primacy
primitive seems like can you scroll up
and down just scroll up down let's just
see like what the ratings are
actually I'm gonna
okay let's see we have what's what's
highest right now
uh one is good one is good
12 is bad
uh okay
okay you know what this is uh if you
could like uh slice it like if you go to
rankings in that little Dash bar
if you could order it the ranking by
that
'd be helpful
oh my God granular privacy Primitives
all right okay so that's that's
interesting feedback people really like
privacy uh or maybe they just like
something like a really solid computer
science thing
allocation
900
almost a million dollars okay I think
Tampa Bay would be very happy with that
so he could he has a lot of money he'll
be fine
um let's see what's what's next we have
a lot of people in the middle of the
pack but it seems when the Dows win is
fairly high up there you guys all want
Dows to win
or at least avoid the places where
they're losing right that seems like a
good plan
uh but it's interesting that they are
only getting half of as much as granular
privacy Primitives so people seem to be
putting a a premium on these maybe like
CS research
I'm just inferring here uh challenges of
digital public infrastructure
decently high ranking but not much
allocation I don't know why
all right uh in this expense that's left
I'll let people explore this uh on their
own it's kind of like an interesting
data set if you I would really encourage
you to
uh if you're already on these groups
that kind of just refine the data a bit
because I'll tell you why
uh so this data is going to be uh
refined and clean up a little bit and
then we're so right now this is uh 10
million dollars in fake money or fake
fake money right uh so we will be giving
some of this data to uh a bunch of
different vendors ethereum Foundation
uniswap the World Bank National Science
Foundation and trying to actually uh
building together that 10 million dollar
Grant to fund the future of Dow science
and this will be directly from the
community saying these are our
priorities this is what we care about at
least you know with this this sampling
of research proposals that are currently
out there and hopefully this will help
guide uh if not the next 10 years at the
very least the next two to three years
of funding decisions so I really really
encourage you to go back uh and you know
at least fix that rough mistake come on
who did that who did that I'm gonna find
you I will find you
I like non-profits uh I'll also just get
a little bit background of This research
project uh so
this is um as I mentioned this is part
of a longer uh project to build up the
infrastructure for Dao research and for
Dow science so for those of you who
aren't researchers even for those of you
who are you know there's a different set
of incentives in institutions that you
need in order to build an effective
research ecosystem right to be able to
produce uh results that have
implications not just you know three
months or six months but ten years down
the line and what we're trying to do is
working together uh I won't pull up the
sort of the data set again but the um
with the slides rather but actually
could you go back to the slides
and go to the uh the the slides Devcon
22 that that's have tab at the top
um anyways go to dowscience.org you'll
see all this sort of previewed there and
it has an explainer for what we're
trying to do basically a collection of
some of the main research organizations
in the Dow space including metagov the
dial research Collective and a smart
contract Research Forum basically a
bunch of nonprofits are teaming up in
order to organize uh this field of Dow
science and trying to figure out how we
can sort of synthesize and bring
together practitioners many of which
I'll represent in this room with
scientists and how do we onboard
practitioners more into science and of
course attract more scientists more
academics people from really a large
variety of different backgrounds into
this space to make it stronger to make
it more vibrant and to ultimately solve
some of the problems that we care about
uh so yeah all that will explain at
dowscience.org I can't direct them to
point it edit but just go to
dowscience.org you'll see what's next
and I think with that we have around
three minutes left are there any
questions
what was going to be the conclusion of
that whole then I didn't want to get
that money yeah so the question uh uh
was about Dolly and the fact that the
dolly proposal and the fact that it
didn't really make sense or it didn't
communicate a sense of like this is the
ultimate end right this is the broader
impact uh and the reason we put that in
here as part of the sample is because uh
it turns out there's well it turns out
funding goes everywhere but also uh
there's actually a lot of very playful
proposals coming out of places like art
schools or collaborations between art
schools and engineering schools that are
much more exploratory that don't have a
sense of like oh this is the ultimate
benefit to Dallas right and this is
actually one of the
uh the reasons I think it's important to
think about Dow research and DOW science
apart from standard like VC investment
tracks is that you can fund uh these
kinds of more speculative proposals that
don't have any specific impact in mind
they're just play right it's a little
book like art like dolly
any other questions in the back
like how can we use these
proposals
like a lot of things
yeah yeah
um so these proposals uh will eventually
all be synthesized uh into a big survey
paper called open problems and DOW
science and it'll be much easier to
consume and shorter and have also
citations and you can see It'll be like
a kind of like a nice uh concise way to
sort of share that with your Dao where
the pactation is near down
um the other side of this is that
obviously like a
and how do I say it and there's
different ways uh being built by
different organizations including as I
mentioned Medica of DRC and scurf uh to
figure out ways to
how do I say it shorten the pipeline
from production of research to
application of that research
um in science we call this like
translational research right and there's
effort to do that it just takes time and
it takes building institutions this is
why it's important to build a research
ecosystem because you can't just
researchers like doing random where
academics you know spounding Theory you
need to have this whole other piece of
infrastructure that like pays attention
to this stuff and then figures out this
is the part that's useful these are the
experiments we're actually gonna you
know put money into running yeah
yeah I think one question I had was more
like on like
like 10 minutes a good example because
probably most of those like don't need
much money at all but like below a
certain threshold they also couldn't do
anything so I wonder if there could be
like something like a with more skin in
the game like a git coin run on like
purely dial signs where you for example
like as an active down member get higher
matching so actually the people that I
actually have an idea of the house like
uh have like high metric but I think
yeah like signaling also like what's the
minimum money needed and the maximum so
you're actually almost more like I'm not
sure if you know the S process of
funding
um that uh so I think there's like ways
to improve the allocation over there yes
yes I'm going to answer that very
shortly and out of respect for the next
speakers we're going to end this but the
um yeah very shortly the first time we
actually ran this exercise
was at Stanford with a panel including
uh guy from accz Aya from the ethereum
foundation and Scott from getcoin
um and
very much into this idea of yeah doing
something some sort of quadratic funding
infrastructure and we actually been
talking with Bitcoin because they uh
recently
are trying to make their funding package
a little bit more like a protocol yeah
doing like a test run of that or maybe
just doing a like a like a funding
around that specific debit towards
science very much exploring that all
right amazing thank you all for coming
and sharing your thoughts appreciate it