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good afternoon good afternoon Dev
guys wow what a four days what a 4 days
it has been it's great to see everyone
here we're going to begin our closing
ceremony with a very interesting panel
uh with a few distinguished guests and
distinguished people here I would i'
like to invite to the stage uh four
individuals a migui from the ethereum
foundation uh Nick of long now
Foundation uh gub sheep uh from zerox
Park co-founder of zerox Park and Justin
glibert also of zerox park for our
closing panel before we get on with the
rest
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all
right good afternoon and welcome to what
I suspect will be a very special closing
CER Cy conversation with three people I
have known and worked with now for many
years and about whom I could say a lot
of very nice things however we all know
that showing beats telling nine times
out of 10 so instead of telling you how
brilliant Brian is how encyclopedic
Justin is or how thoughtful ya is I'm
just going to try to moderate a panel
conversation at a deep enough level that
you get to see these qualities directly
for
yourself I should probably tell you who
we are though um and why we're up here
and what we plan to talk about for the
next 38 minutes or so where's our time
there it is 44 minutes okay uh I should
also just say what an honor it was to be
asked to moderate this closing
conversation with all of you today uh
thank you a I really appreciate that and
of course uh a miuchi needs no
introduction to this crowd really um I
is the executive director and The
Eclectic dreamer of the ethereum
foundation
ya and I met ages ago before she was
working for the ethereum foundation even
uh and we met thanks to our shared
appreciation for long-term thinking
about which I'll say some more in just a
minute there's a very good chance you
saw Ya's talk on mandalas at the opening
ceremony on Tuesday and if we're lucky I
think we'll get to dive into that topic
some more this afternoon so please join
me in giving a warm Round of Applause to
a amaguchi
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sitting over to her left is gub sheep
AKA Brian and sitting to my right is
luden's AKA Justin and these two founded
a programmable cryptography research
group called ZX Park if at some point
this week you have seen a frog hat a
frog Beret a frog shirt a frog game a
frog necklace or a frog made out of a
printed circuit board that generates
digital and collectible and proof
carrying frogs complete with complex
backstories well the new have
encountered one way that their work on
programmable cryptography seems to have
manifested itself here at the qsncc this
week can we get a big round of applause
for Justin and Brian and all of the
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frogs and so last and probably least
informed about next Generation
cryptographic Primitives is me your
moderator for this panel my name is
Nicholas Paul uh though you can call me
Nick and for most of the last decade I
have been helping run a storyed
nonprofit in San Francisco California
called the long now Foundation long now
was founded in 1996 to Foster long-term
thinking on the time scale of 10,000
years so not the short now of this
conference but the long now of human
civilization itself more recently I've
started working on a new independent an
initiative that focuses on the thinking
part of long-term thinking and here at
the outset of that initiative there's a
lot of what I call thinking about
thinking in other words thinking about
what it means to think especially in an
era of quote unquote thinking machines
and so I've had a lot of conversations
about this stuff with Brian and Justin
and ya over the years and I've been
coming to Devcon since Devcon 4 in
Prague in
2018 uh mostly because I find it always
invites me to think deeply and
differently about that thing we call
technology because we don't know what
else to call it put concisely I think
Frontier technology provides excellent
food for thought philosophic and poetic
and aesthetic food for philosophic and
poetic and aesthetic thought my first
Devcon Devcon 4 in Prague in 2018 uh the
panel conversation for that closing
ceremony featured a thinker named Stuart
brand I've got a clicker here and I
think there's a picture of him if I do
this
there we go great
um yeah that's Stuart brand Stuart if
you don't already know who I'm talking
about is a living legend full stop there
are a few books and films about his life
and they're good and I recommend
checking them out Stuart seems to have
been involved in most of the most
significant cultural scenes from the
last 20th century from the hippies to
the hackers to the very first online
communities and the very first uses of
genomic technology for ecological
conservation he is also one of the
founders of the long now foundation so
I've been working with him for years now
and as a mild biographical note he just
so happens to also be my nextdoor
neighbor so Stuart is something of a
hero to this quartet up here and I
mention length because at least part of
tonight's conversation I hope is going
to be about what it means to find
yourself inspired by someone uh or
something we catch glimpses of this
meaning in the phrase spiritual
predecessor which of course means not a
literal predecessor like a parent or a
grandparent or perhaps someone who once
held the job title that you yourself now
hold but rather Someone Who provided
some of the fuel from which you've lit
your own torch in life you can even see
this in the emology of the words
spiritual predecessor and inspiration
they both come from the Latin inspirare
which means to breathe into a spiritual
predecessor breathes into us and so
we'll probably talk about that
phenomenon a bit tonight
as well as the philosophical concept of
subtraction that inspires the work of
the ethereum foundation as well as my
own and perhaps even that of zerox park
though I'll let Brian and Justin kind of
unpack and chime in on that a little bit
later but the very first question I want
to open our discussion with this
afternoon is a lot simpler and a lot
more immediate it has to do with the act
of noticing you'll notice that it's
impossible to notice everything and so
what you notice is worth noticing and I
wonder how many people here at Devcon 7
notice that the year
2024 marks one full decade for Devcon
Devcon zero a decade of thinking
differently about all kinds of things
let's see where does this go next
there there we go all right a decade of
thinking differently about all kinds of
things and I'm curious what else people
might have noticed here at the
conference this week I sincerely wish I
could ask that question of all of you
out there in the audience but I think
I'm actually going to start with a so ya
what if anything did you notice this
year um first of all um is it possible
to turn down the
light turn down the light request to
Turn Down the Lights is it possible to
turn down the light sorry I'm being
annoying
again um I just with my respect to
Stuart and thank you Nick for joining to
this conversation because he is not just
a moderator as you probably already have
noticed um noticing noticing what do I
notice at this this step
gone
um this I do I do notice the people's
mindset in um the top on the topics that
are discussed and conversations
happening at this ston is or it used to
be more about what do we need to do now
you know what do we need to do now
um or what what's next level but now I
think I hear more conversation about
what can happen or could happen in the
future so that that difference
is bigger this time I think and and then
part of it is because all the
contributions um well the design of the
event but also
mainly all the different contribution by
all different
players and it it's
very um important that we are looking at
this as a as a decade but it's it's just
a decade zero right so I think it's
amazing that we are having this
conversation with this group
also um it looks like a random
collection of people but we we talk
about this type of conversation like um
topics a lot and
then um you saw the photo of
Stuart and this
was this was the the devcom plag was
very special for me um that was my first
Devone after I joined
EF it wasn't my first Devone but it was
the first de gone after I joined the Y
but
also this was the steward's talk at the
closing was really
symbolized the time like we started to
show we're thinking everything
differently and and that was the first
step G with
invited people like sart Bland Brewster
kale um and and
then I think people started to
recognize
that this is something bigger than just
technology so so that is that was very
important but also that was the first
time I introduced the con the the
concept of subtraction for the first
time I I don't know how much people
really understood it I don't think I
explain it in the best way like then but
also it was meant to be just
introduction and when I when I
reintroduced that in Decon at Deon Bata
last time that was a time I was finally
able to
explain
from the actions that EF has made what
do you think makes it so hard to
explain um so subtraction is always hard
it's actually um it's too natural for me
so I say in the way like we red we we
resist the tendency to add the natural
tendency is we accumulate the power keep
adding uh keep making things bigger but
it's actually to
me
um it is more natural to it's I I grew
up in the culture um where you know
subtraction is not
really rare and and because of that I
wasn't really I I wasn't really aware
what I was doing was something very
different and it it
was um from the
conversation um with Albert Albert NE um
he was the one who pointed out hey what
we are doing
is withdrawing with withdrawing like
withdrawal and then I said oh yeah like
that's actually there's
a this aesthetic of subtraction which I
wrote in Japanese in in
plug that's we have that in Japan so
let's call it subtraction that's how we
started so it took another non Japanese
person to to let me notice that was
something actually
natural so like we actually need to
remind we we have to let people notice
that I love this idea of bringing in
Aesthetics to the idea of subtraction uh
because there's another thing that I
want to talk about at subtraction with
you guys around dimensionality and the
dimensional affordances of subtraction
as an approach to things um but
Aesthetics is also something that I
think about a lot in dimensional terms
you know a lot of discussion especially
around technology these days is
flattened into a discussion about good
technology and bad technology and some
smearing in the middle and that's
helpful sometimes it's it can be
clarifying because like it's nice to
have whatever Dimensions you do have um
but if you're looking for higher
dimensional considerations the aesthetic
Paradigm is just a lot more useful
there's so much more going on in there
and so I'm kind of curious um you this
is how I think about it but Brian um
when I think about the dimensionality
and the dimensional affordances of
something like action um why why is
something like addition um a flattening
move whereas subtraction is an expansive
move do you have some thoughts on that
yeah so it's really interesting for me
also to to come to this Devcon and
reflect on how different this experience
has been for me compared with my first
Devcon was also Devcon 4 back in Prague
and I remember the thing that I was just
really struck by at that Devcon was how
much space open there was for me as a
newcomer um I was sort of hanging around
the ethereum foundation orbit helping
out with various things um some things
related to education some things related
to communication eventually started
getting interested in things related to
to zero knowledge um and it was never
really the case that there was never one
directive or one narrative or one
message that either the ethereum space
as a whole or the ethereum foundation I
felt was pushing on me and that really
forced a certain kind of agency a kind
of critical thinking a kind of
empowerment that I don't think I've seen
in basically any other community that
I'd ever entered into um and what I
realized was that if I really wanted to
engage meaningfully with the ethereum
community I would have to uh sort of
think bigger than one One Direction one
narrative um and you know one thing that
uh me and Justin have talked about
before is this idea that for example in
maybe a traditional uh in various kinds
of more traditional organizations you
might be playing a game of Monopoly
right in the game of Monopoly there's
one objective which is basically you're
trying to accumulate more Monopoly
dollars but this might be something
closer more akin to a game of Civ so
civilization is a game where there's
multiple different kinds of objectives
and resources and wi conditions maybe
it's not even clear what it means for
there to be a wind condition um and
that's something that I think you know
the effects of subtraction were felt by
me at that time even if I didn't quite
know that that was what it was called or
that's how people were thinking about it
I just noticed the
space well the space is a cool
affordance too because the name ethereum
and ather right which is kind of you're
thinking about air and so when you think
about how much more space there is
between the atoms and Air versus like a
solid brick you know there's just so
much more spaciousness in air and so
that breathing room we talked about
inspiration right uh like inspiring to
to breathe into or conspiring to breathe
with other people there's something
there's something in even just like the
the naming essence of it do you have
some thoughts about that about the
dimensionality stuff I have some thought
about the space the thing that's kind of
interesting is even in what was your
example like bricks or rock or something
like that yeah yeah like even then
there's a ton of space totally like it's
just massive space everywhere and so I
think that there's also another thing
going on there where like you you can of
like get the space you are looking for
most of the time um I think it is true
that you can have an environment that is
more spacious but I think we're like
kind of like constantly being surprised
by how much there is spaces everywhere
in many you're looking for it and I
don't know if everyone really is turns
out it's one of those things that if you
look for it you could find it you know
that's extremely cool um this yeah this
idea of looking for spaciousness and um
High dimensionality I'm kind of I'm kind
of curious if you could unpack what this
spacious subtraction affordance is how
this relates to like worlding and how it
supports the idea of worlding you've
done a lot of stuff around worlding here
that people might be familiar with um
and why addition is more of like a theme
Parky kind of thing which I think you've
talked about before yeah
so about two years ago um Nick and and
and and and Brian actually came to
London I don't know if you guys remember
um and it's right around the time when I
got really inspired by this this artist
called Yan Chang and Yan's work is
centered around simulation he basically
builds these worlds with rules Etc
generative stories and lets them unfolds
and he makes kind of like stories and
movies about them and he wrote a book
called ms's guide to worlding and the
core idea uh of yan is that you kind
of there's like a bunch of roles that
are very legible like the role of the
director the role of the cartoonist he
also has this role that he calls the
role of the hacker there is like one
very important role that you need when
you work on worlds which is the role of
the Emissary essentially the role of the
Emissary is to take the world seriously
for what it is and recognize that
there's a fundamental equation at play
which is it's almost like a fraction
like the aliveness of a world the the
the numerator the top part of the
fraction is how much drama and
generativist happens in the world and
the and the bottom of the fraction is
how much input there is from the Creator
and there are systems out there that are
like very interesting for people but
they require like constant influx of
even greater work from a bunch of people
in a very organized ways right and
that's like what we were referring to in
this conversation as theme parks and a
lot of the time people sit down and
decide to to try to build the world and
they just like build a theme park where
like they just add you know like the
world is already there but you have to
add the popcorn stand and the rides
because otherwise the people are going
to get bored and then you're like oh you
know we need a security system because
people steal the popcorn and you just
like keep adding and adding and adding
and you end up with this thing which can
be interesting but it never outgrows the
original Creator in some ways and so
yeah Yan um kind of like made popular
this this this term of whirling which is
the active effort of putting a world
together which is actually a lot about
not doing versus doing because if you do
too much the world is completely
dependent on you for remaining alive in
some ways yeah and and in the same way
that inspiring somebody isn't
controlling them but it does have some
influence on them um I think yeah
birthing worlds would definitely be the
kind of thing you wouldn't want to
totally lock in and control when we talk
about worlds I mean the aesthetic part
of my brain is also lighting up and
thinking about like we talk about things
like the world of jazz or the world of
you know uh heavy metal music or the
world of rap music and we know these are
distinct worlds um but then we also know
there's like places between these worlds
and there's the possibility of new
worlds and so I think aesthetically
people are really sensitive to just how
high-dimensional aesthetic Explorations
can be but again I think when we think
of Technology it's like how often are
the Aesthetics really front and center
um you know there's something really
important there that I think and and for
me it also brings me back to a to your
opening ceremony talk on mandelas and
you had that image of all the just
overlapping centers of gravity there and
when I think I don't know I might be
kind of weird this way but when I think
about music and genres um or when I
think about genres of discourse the way
people engage at a conference or
something or even when I think about all
what's happening in all these different
rooms all week um I think about an image
in my brain that looks a lot like those
overlapping spheres so do do you have
some thoughts on like the Mandela
concept that you had worked out earlier
this week that maybe I'm I'm sure a lot
of these people saw it but maybe some
people missed it and how that relates to
worlding and subtraction kind of pulling
on this
thread yeah um it was actually another
image that I well I you know it clicked
to me that this is another way to
explain the same view that I had uh when
I uh learned about mandalas another
meaning of mandala in South St a year uh
if if I if if there any anyone who were
not who was not there at the opening um
it it it was um the older system of
governance in South Stager where there
are circles of spheres of Kingdoms that
um didn't have clear boundaries but they
existed as as spheres and then at the
edges um The power was very blurry right
um
so it is it is well connected with
subtraction because um what Brian was
saying for example jerk spark you were
hanging around
around EF I don't
even remember where which team you were
hanging around all the time or and you
were part of this research I don't even
know if there was one team specifically
or even if there was a notion of
specific teams that exist in the
structure and then we didn't really try
to fit him as
as where he he should belong right if we
did that maybe we had let me
you know his his potentials or his
creativity he ended up just playing with
ZK area and then uh made Dark Forest
right and then what that was the
St and he had to let him have his world
and so I I've got a question for you
Brian which is like do you feel like the
world of programmable cryptography is
inspired by the world of
ethereum yeah absolutely I think one of
the the really interesting things that
that me and Justin have noticed is just
how much this space creation um which is
maybe another lens or artifact on
subtraction has done for us and for the
things that we try to bring to the
ecosystem we try to basically embed very
similar Concepts in so you know one
thing I think about probably a lot of
folks here have seen the uh frog game or
the the various frog bits floating
around um whenever we do these sorts of
things at both the technological level
at the level of the design of the
experience we want to try to make it
about uh the participants in the
experience and not about like a linear
track that we are prescribing or putting
together so everything from the fact
that the digital frogs are digitally
signed ZK friendly signatures that live
on your phone they don't live in our
servers you can do whatever you want
with your frogs that also means that
there's a certain responsibility because
we don't store your frogs on our server
if you lose your frogs that's on you um
but what this means is because you know
these these frogs they don't have like a
zerox Park logo or something on them and
the Frog bucket hats are pretty generic
frog bucket hats it's just sort of the
abstract concept of frogs that is
floating around what that gives people
is sort of the permission to take that
concept and run with it however they
want and even over just the last 96
hours that this activation has been
online we've seen people do extremely
creative and you know funny and
technically interesting things that we
could not have predicted I think you
know on the first day people started
making these frog trees of frog
necklaces and people started spinning up
websites to coordinate and aggregate all
the different frog QR codes and links
that they could find some people started
making you know frog stickers with
special sorts of art some people started
putting QR codes onto digital backpacks
and that's what I think really happens
when it feels like the concept of a ZK
sign frog is not owned by someone oh so
the world is alive in some like the fact
that you can lose your frogs mean the
world is being taken seriously there are
Stakes to frog ownership say that again
there are Stakes to frog ownership I
don't know if Stakes Stakes is a bit
overused here I think lose your frogs
Yeah Yeah I I think but it's it's it's
less like what are the frogs at Stakes
it's more like what can happen to the
frogs in some some ways like Define how
how much of a world it is you know um
there's no frog mommy you can go back to
to get your frogs that you've lost right
so do you think programmable
cryptography would have come into being
in the same way in a different ecosystem
or do you think this ecosystem is shaped
the way that programmable cryptography
is showing up in the world right now I
mean if I mean okay so there there's no
question that there's an impact right I
think um the thing I found interesting
here is that and I don't think it's it's
being shown enough which is that
ethereum is as much a technological
object as it is a cultural object object
right it's not just technology it's
culture as
well and when you have something that
has multiple Dimensions you can kind of
like make different things load bearings
at different times if you have something
that is purely technological and the
technology doesn't work then you have
failed in some sense oh you can kind of
promise that it will work better at some
point but there is there is a thing
where almost like a support network
around you means you can take more risks
I think that having an object that has
multiple Dimensions makes it more anti
fragile in some sense and so I find what
I find really interesting with the eum
ecosystem is that in general there's a
lot of energy for things that on a
surface level might look like playful or
silly or not going anywhere but actually
in many way I think this is almost like
an immune system for making sure that um
excess talent and excess Capital get
distributed to a lot of different kinds
of experiments like one sentence we use
as ZX quite often is when something is
going in a strange direction or not
successful we say that's an experiment
worth enabling not like this is a
failure or something like that and I
think uh the great thing with with the E
Theos system is that it creates a lot of
experiments worth being enabled and you
both kind of like increase your your
rate of trying things but at the same
time you give a lot of space for things
to grow and one thing with cryptography
and and we see it when we interface with
academics or with the industry outside
the E ecosystem is that cryptography at
this stage outside what it can do very
well and has been doing for many decades
it's almost like going back to square
one in Computing and people don't want
to go back to square one because they're
like I'm used to all of this nice stuff
like why would I go back to square one
and so in some in some ways having an a
place where going back to square one
actually has been done in recent memory
you know like ethereum has gone back to
square one like a decade ago so because
it started at square one I think like
this almost like knowledge like it's
still within this generation that this
has happened does create a lot of space
well going back to square one reminds me
again of subtraction so not to just
completely hit this note again but I
think there's something important about
being able to let go of things too you
know for um I mean there's this there's
this analogy that sometimes I bust out
with people about ground Apes which are
ground apes are really good at grabbing
stuff if a ground ape grabbed me I'd be
in trouble right they're really strong
and they can grab stuff but AR Boral
Apes that are swinging through the
jungle they can grab stuff too that's
important but they have Edge on the
ground Apes in that they can let go of
things and it turns out letting go of
things is like very an important
precondition for swinging through the
canopy of jungles right and so this
letting go it's kind of a subtraction
concept but letting go of things is
really hard but really really important
it's not just you can't just grab new
things without letting go of old things
you know there has to be this moment
where you're just kind of I mean I guess
in this analogy you're just hanging in
the air um and I mean I'm sure a lot of
people here have felt that feeling of
letting go of something hanging in the
air a little bit that's an interesting
feeling um and I you know I'm always
talking to people about it in a more
philosophical or cultural context where
we're talking about language right you
know and so of course you know I said in
some of my preperatory remarks something
about you know we call it technology
because we don't know what else to call
it um well the first thing you have to
do if you want to figure out what else
to call it is just let go what you're
calling it if you're hanging on to that
super tight um you're just never going
to create again space so so if
everyone's tracking there's a bingo card
here with like space subtraction
Aesthetics worlding and we're just going
to hit all of these a lot because they
end up being really really
interconnected from from where I'm
seeing things um but yeah this idea of
um of the cultural object as well this
cultural Dimension right different
dimensions have different affordances
different strengths and like you said
sometimes in a dynamic environment you
need to beef up other dimensions at
different times as a response that's
cool if you can do it it's like in Civ
you can spend all your money but you've
not lost whereas in Monopoly if you lose
your money all you spend all of your
money you have lost totally and the
cultural stuff is really important it's
really interesting how important the
cultural stuff is because I think we
have a default way of thinking about
technology um especially Frontier
technology we think of Frontier
technology being on the frontier of a
technological Frontier like the nature
of the frontier is technological which
means if you want to push out the
frontier
you throw technology at it and the
frontier moves but I think we've
recently seen a lot of examples at least
during my like adult lifetime seen a lot
of examples of people that are pushing
on a frontier with a bunch of Technology
but the frontier is not budging doesn't
move you're not actually getting this
new world that you were thinking you
were going to get people aren't buying
whatever you're selling they're not
excited about your vision of the future
and it's like well why why not we threw
we threw a lot of techn capital at this
problem why is the techn capital not
fixing the thing just and make it fix
the thing and I think part of it is like
if you're if you're flexible and you're
open to other dimensions you can start
thinking about the fact that these
froners might be in their nature more
philosophical more poetic more aesthetic
again don't ask the barber if you need a
haircut but I think this is a really
interesting time for these things to be
on the frontier because a lot of what I
see out here from the frogs all the way
through some of the the film stuff
that's been showcased here and of course
the amazing art the dancing the
backgrounds all of this stuff I mean a
lot of it has I don't want to say it has
a little to do with technology but it
it's it's kind of in another dimension
it's another dimension um and I yeah
well one thing I want to say is like I
think it's it's it's easy to take a lot
of that stuff as flavor text and think
like oh you know this is a XYZ
conference and everything else is just
added to be nice but I think to the
trained eye you can actually like start
drawing the differences between these
things and see when something is more of
like a coherent object together mhm have
you start seeing like like if we make up
like some like new unit like an
integration factor or something where
like multiple Dimensions gets integrated
together as opposed to like you have one
mind dimensions and the other one are
flavor text where have you seen like
that amount of integration happen and
grow up over time I suppose in ethereum
you must have seen it grow or at least
change yeah I don't I don't know I think
I've always been just very perplexed by
this stuff because I'll go into these
technical sessions and everything is
pretty much directly over my head but
the thing it's not over my head these
weird notes that I'm hearing almost like
when you hear like a weird when you hear
the refrigerator turn on or like when
the electricity is not really well
grounded in like your hotel room and you
hear like a buzzing sound like every now
and then I'll be in one of these rooms
and I won't understand anything that
Brian's saying Brian is dropping
knowledge bombs on the entire room about
something and there's math symbols on
the screen behind them and I'm just
hearing some other buzzing note I'm
going what is that does anyone else hear
that note that's an interesting kind of
thing um
yeah and maybe want to go back to the
point about language and letting go as
well because I think that's that's very
related and a very interesting thing
here um one thing that I've observed
about ethereum and cryptography is that
well with cryptography cryptography is
something that in order to achieve its
maximal social value it sort of almost
by the nature of the technology must be
maximally open it's you know it
contrasts with this with something like
AI where if I have a really powerful new
AI architecture and model and I don't
tell
that model to the world but I put it
behind an API it still is able to create
enormous social value cryptography if I
invent a new zero knowledge protocol
that's super performant and amazing and
I don't tell it to anybody then you know
it's it's effectively worthless right so
cryptography has this effect of being
more like language where the more people
speak it the more people who can wield
it as a tool the more social value it
creates and it's not actually obvious
though that that even though this is the
case cryptography will naturally develop
in this direction you know actually with
the first generation of cryptography
when we think of crypto systems like RSA
uh a lot of the first generation of
crypto systems was actually patented and
they couldn't be used Beyond certain you
know circles we couldn't be used um
without being licensed until you know
many decades when a patent might expire
now the thing that's happened that's
been very interesting about the ethereum
adjacent cryptography world is this is
not the pattern and I think that's a
direct result of how ethereum approaches
things um we don't see there's almost
like an immune system that's been built
up that's been carried over from
ethereum is it an immune system or is it
like um being able to see the Lost
upside from not having something being
well distributed yeah I mean I think
that ethereum is a demonstration it's a
proof of existence of what happens when
you take that kind of I guess more
subtractive more space creating approach
and so the folks who start thinking
about cryptography see well the proof is
in the pudding this is actually a very
pragmatic way to be this is a very
grounded thing it's not just a you know
um a nice sounding
statement I couldn't help but like track
on the fact that you use the word expire
uh in relation to patents and that's
another fun one of these Spire kind of
terms right like expire like there's no
more breathing the breath goes out of it
um and I'm thinking of course we've done
a little bit of prep and talking about
some of these things and one of the
things that I was kind of struck by
Brian was when you were telling me a
little bit about how zerox Park thinks
about its own institutional design and
this idea of expiration or limitation
this this understanding that you
yourself are kind of a spiritual
predecessor for something and you want
to take that seriously by making some
design choices now while those design
choices you know can be can be a through
line for you can you say a little bit to
that yeah so one thing that um some
folks here might not know is that when
we first started ZX Park and started
putting together this community around
uh I guess it was late
2021 we embedded in it basically from
the start that after two years by
default Xerox Park actually ought to
expire and that would be the default and
it would have to be an intentional
choice on our part to continue working
on it and potentially even refactoring
significant ly what its focus was and um
what its role in the ecosystem was if we
wanted to keep doing this Beyond late
2023 and that actually ended up
influencing a lot of our decisions on
how we decided to do certain things in
the first 12 months 18 months um by
default there was more of a willingness
to let go of things whether that means
let go of research directions that might
not be so uh might not be panning out
and which we you know didn't feel the
pressure then to double down on it might
mean letting in terms of well actually
there is something that's going really
well let's let go of that to The Wider
Community as well um and you know when
we rounded out the corner on two years
um by that time that willingness to
think more I don't know if the right
word is like expansively or or um
ephemerally or exactly what it is that
was sort of embedded in our thinking and
how we you know would just decide
whether how how to operate different
projects well we've talked about
subtraction is expansive right and I
think that possibly also goes for
institutions but I'm always I'm always
torn or not torn but there's a tension
there because I think long-lasting
institutions matter too right it's kind
of cool you almost have like a
distributed time preference thing for
how long you want institutions to last
maybe there's an aesthetic time
preference distribution but like when
you think about the next thousand years
it would be pretty easy to imagine
Oxford making it for another Thousand
Years pretty easy to imagine like Keno G
temple in Kamakura Japan making it for
you know into another Thousand Years um
you know it's harder to think about that
with like Tech stuff because I think it
just does feel more like ablative or
more temporary and kind of up in steuart
brand has a image that I should have
thrown on the presentation here uh for
Pace layers where you can see that
things kind of have their own
temporality to them and of course like
we're used to tech companies that don't
only last too long or they become
Consulting companies like IBM or
something they change their nature go
down the the stack but um I you know
it's interesting to think about why a
permanent Oxford like an eternal Oxford
would be like a dimensionally flattening
move and that like something like ZX
Park only having like a two-year mandate
or a five-year mandate or something can
be expansive I mean a you've thought
about this a lot probably in the context
of the ethereum foundation too it's like
um can you speak a little bit to how the
subtraction mindset this philosophy of
subtraction this idea of expansion has
influenced how you've thought about the
design of
ethereum umum foundation yeah
Dimension yeah I think it's well there
are many this there are many dimensions
that you can see with subtraction but I
want to talk about like time Dimension
that we we often tend to when we say
subtraction especially as an
organization people immediately think
about the sides you know when you say
subtraction and
addition um maybe one example I can use
is
um some well people at the eum
foundation we don't really enforce it
but since we have the subtraction as a
guiding principle um I'm I've been
impressed that people are discussing it
more like seriously and then the other
day I saw this notion page from one of
the teams um describing this technical
strategy of a project and then the you
know the order of execution it starts
with a research phase and next is
prototype and then normally you would go
to a production phase instead they're
like oh let's call it
subtraction and then what it does it's
not really about how much because this
is actually working with a team outside
obf together it's not about how much the
EF team does less but it's more like by
subtracting you're thinking about the
longterm
like future time like if we do more how
would this affect to the ecosystem right
so we the dimension is not just about
the size and then Time Flame like it's
like but then
there so many different layers of this
that that can expand by like and then
the important part is like knowing that
we have the option it's not like we're
telling everyone to always surpress
tracks it's more like we don't really
notice that that's an option
often then but having that as a habit
like thinking that as a habit not really
to enforce it it's more like thinking
about it always thinking about it would
bring us more
Dimensions more longer term and that's
that's why I think subtraction is
actually
strategy to the long-term thinking
yeah and so that subtraction is like one
way of creating space for other things
to come in and for having some uh
inspiring other projects in a certain
way but I think as we kind of come to
the end of this session I think I'd like
to touch on the limitations of
inspiration and the limitations of even
uh spiritual predecessors right like
spiritual predecessors and design
inspiration can only take you so far um
and then what happens like what happens
next um how do you explore a new space
that has never been explored before do
you have some thoughts on that like how
would you go about exploring so we're
talking about high dimensional spaces
all this extra Freedom all this extra
stuff how how how how do you navigate
when there's nothing to navigate by
there's always something to navigate by
yeah I like that I think so there's this
interesting result in um reinforcement
learning so when you try to get
computers to learn things where you
don't have training data you just know
whether they failed and what you realize
is that when you're in an environment
where it's really hard for you to get
any form of reward at the beginning or
just like almost zero signal about
whether you're doing well or not the
thing that works the best is the most
robust is curiosity driven learning so
essentially you try to surprise yourself
and and your word model and so I think
that that's kind of like a meta
navigation when you don't know how to
navigate I think that when people talk
about aesthetic what they're talking
about is some form of
like unlegible intuition as to what is
better um that must be somewhere in
their brain and so I think like do not
underestimate the power of aesthetic and
good taste when you're navigating things
that are unnavigable because they're not
they are actually probably somewhere
grounded into I wouldn't be surprised if
I were to put like my evolutionary
psychology hat that aesthetic is how we
navigate unnavigable things you know
like aesthetic intuitions yeah and and a
fun thing that I want to add to that is
the idea of good taste that you brought
up which is funny like we're tempted
always to think that the opposite of
good taste is bad taste but they
opposite of good taste is no taste you
know so like actually your taste is a
positive content kind of thing and you
can use it to guide yourself even when
there's nothing else to guide Brian how
do you how do you explore High
dimensional spaces you've never been in
before yeah I think that so much of it
is just about what is the topology of
the environment that you're putting
yourself in if you're putting yourself
in an environment where there is a lot
of space and there isn't an Impulse to
sometimes we use the phrase snap to grid
snap to something legible that can be
easily understood whether that's
snapping to a goal function or snapping
to a narrative that is easy to
understand that is um rewarded by the
surrounding context if you can sort of
suspend yourself in a space of
uncertainty for a little longer allow
yourself to be confused that's a way to
allow yourself to be curious it makes it
easier to to do so um and so that's one
of the things that that I was thinking
about when I was thinking oh you know
when we first came into the ethereum
space there was a lot of space and that
made it easier to navigate those kinds
of high-dimensional multi-dimensional
considerations
um so
I 10 years into the
Devcon experiment worth doing uh I'm
sure you felt at times that you're
navigating a high-dimensional space uh
and I would love to hear as we have a
few more seconds to wrap this up I'd
love to give you the last word in here
how you think about your adventure your
exploration into the unknown with Devcon
how that's been maybe just a final word
for ending decade decade
zero
um I thought you were going to okay give
another monologue in the end but um uh
if you have noticed Devon is not every
year now right and that's another thing
we pushed um so that thinking um
speaking of job subtraction
subtraction um does bring more quality
it has to so the idea is because there
are many etherum events out there now um
if if Devcon still is needed it has to
be very very special it has to be very
very special I I do say this to Devon
Team all the time otherwise we don't
need more addition right and then so
that's the decade of I was not involved
in all devons but yeah and I want
another 40 minutes on the clock so we
can have that conversation about how to
keep Devcon special but we're running
out of time so uh I'm sure this
conversation's just getting started um
and I want to once again thank the
Devcon team here the ethereum foundation
of course Justin Brian and a for
bringing this discussion into being and
thank you all for staying closing Devcon
7 with us I really appreciate thank you
so
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much amazing thank you so much Nick
thank you ya thank you gief uh I have an
immense amount of respect for Nick to be
able to walk us through a pH
philosophical discussion like that uh
and uh gub and Justin if you're not
aware are their team is responsible for
all of the frogs you see around the
venue so huge round of applause for that
just that ex just that activity I think
is incredible uh and of course ya a
you're an inspiration for everyone thank
you so much uh now we have a short recap
of the week
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now more than ever building on eum is
not only for idealistic
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reasons ethereum is Hope ethereum is
hope that's what it is for
me this is the most Global Devcon
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ever I think Devcon shows the strength
of the ethereum ecosystem and really
highlights the concept of the infinite
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Garden welcome to Devon Southeast Asia
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oh
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amazing amazing what a month these four
days have been
huh all right so I would like to invite
up two team members uh who are from
Thailand uh o who is our community
supporter who's been working tieless for
the the past few months
yes and Winnie who is one of our
production magicians helping make this
event what it what it is what what you
saw it was so please come on
stage um I want to start off with this
photo uh uh this was the closing
ceremony in Devon bagoda it was exactly
2 years 1 month one day since this video
was
taken two years ago and one def con ago
I was part of the audience like you guys
today I'm part of the Defcon
team so I can only do this because how
open and collaborative defun team is so
I thank you for that and it's only
because you guys are willing to make it
you know make make the travel all the
way here to Southeast Asia to make this
def CT SE happen that is why I'm able to
stand here to make this magical moment
happening in Southeast Asia so I thank
you all for en enabling me to stand
here so as part of my job with the
Devcon team I support communities
and speaking of communities we need to
speak about road to defon program road
to Defcon program is a program initiated
over a year ago to allow local
communities across southeast Asia and
nearby to organize their own independ
independent ethereum event bringing
awareness and excitement on the way to
Defcon we gave out 103 grants to 103
events in 15 countries and in 64
communities that's about two events a
week or about one road death C event
every 3 and a half days all the way in
2024 so please can I get a round of
applause to all the road to Dev
communities that made this
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possible and this is what R to Dear
looks like in sou
Asia Beyond Saudi
Asia in
homes and also literal road to death
so we had two events two road to
deathcon events coming from pomen
Cambodia thanks to Ry and also from
shangai Thailand thank to Shaka for
making this
happen so some of you might wonder okay
you know road to defc is all that great
you know for the local communities but
what about the defc itself right is it
really make an impact to the local
communities in South Asia so these are
some of the Praises that we had from
early attendees on the first day and the
feedbacks have rever reverberated across
the communities drawing more excitement
and interest from from those outside of
ethereum ecosystem to join people
actually walk in a lot each day just to
ask for tickets to get
in we also had some funny and creative
compliments here on the left here
someone said I told my son that you must
skip school tomorrow and come to defun
right I'm not sure in how many lifetime
will we have another event with 10K
Builders flying to Thailand to create
this experience it's worth it to
drop on the other hand you can skip
school the entire week because you know
why not I can do my homework from Defcon
anyway uh another highlight for me is
that we also had a Thai Member of
Parliament who joined us among the
attendees he made a video coverage of
Defcon on Tik Tok he even explained what
EIP is and describing how CK passport
work right tell me me you know how you
can think that ethereum is not going to
expand into the real world with
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this so when I say that locals uh praise
this event I really mean it you know
they are not complimenting in words not
in sentences not in paragraphs they are
making essays you know to compliment def
gun so I with this I believe that I can
say that on behalf of soue Asia and
Thailand we really thank you for being
here you're are not only just making a
dent in the etherum ecosystem but you
are making a difference in Southeast
Asia so I really really thank you all
for being
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here so now uh that's the community and
impact so far now on to the event
production by
Winnie all right thank you so much oh
thank you and I would like to say again
so and welcome everyone to our beloved
Hometown Bangkok once
again um as a part of production as
Skyla has already mentioned in the
opening that we wanted to make this
event not only for Thailand but for all
of Southeast ases as a community so one
thing that you may have noticed if you
traveling all around southeast Asia
countries we have so many things in
differences but also we we share and Sh
it so many things in common such as
cultures and we try to account for all
of these into production of the stages
visuals Vibes that you have seen all
elements and beautiful things that we
created in these menus also from the
steps and you walk in to the food that
you have been eaten I know so far that
we have a very good comments about the
foods here so all throughout the weeks
you have been not just eating Thai food
but you also experience the food that
represents of many countries from around
Asia which is more than 30 men news that
we have
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selected and the most important part for
the production what makes Defcon
difference for me I work in events for
seven years and I would say Devcon is is
a magical process and also I know you
feel that too when you have coming into
these spaces being not just a conference
with many talks and sessions but also so
many activities happen around hacka cave
with the communities decompression room
activities discussion corners and all of
the music stage all of these elements
combined together to make the Devcon an
unconventional event
ever and these are also the proofs that
I would like you to witness as I hear so
many parts of all event producer have
said to me that this is the biggest and
the most unconventional event that they
have ever seen and built in
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bangok and of course guys even though I
missed but this is the most fun and
beautiful stats I have seen we have
given 96 massage from 10 massagers I
know that a 960 of you are a very very
fortunate one to
get okay and this is all the Productions
I hope you have a very great time we are
we have so much poaching in efforts for
all these
Devon thank
you let's give a huge round of applause
to Winnie and to oh without them this
event would not be what it is what it
was they say
they say of these 960 massages they were
only occupied by 10 people so I'm not
sure what a lot of you guys were doing
uh but other stats that I actually
really like we have reached over 12,500
people not just that have tickets but
that have actually showed up here like
12 showed up here and participated in
Devcon 12,500 this is more than double
the past Devcon we had two years ago uh
we have representation here from over
130 countries the top five of the the
top five countries are us with 1,800
Thailand with 1,500 India with
1,49 United Kingdom with 500 and
Singapore with 500 as well so uh and
many many more countries obviously 130
countries from around the world have
come here to Devcon and we are stoked to
see that uh at the most Global Devcon
ever now 60% of the people who have come
here this was their first Devcon this
was their first maybe introduction to
ethereum uh so that was also super
exciting to see we have had over 750
speakers and I I say instructors as well
because we obviously had workshops and
this does not include the many of you
who were instructing and speaking at
your own Community hubs or in the
discussion corners of which there were
probably hundreds more we have over 300
hours of content so hope you get those
uh streaming subscriptions or check out
stream e afterwards because there's a
lot to do lot to review and we had 3,000
question and answers issued through the
mircat platform which many of you
participated in to interact with the
speakers and uh so we had all that
content all those questions all of these
talks and speakers and and so what did
we learn what were the takeaways uh and
I think there's there's a few things
there's a few things that we want to
highlight I'd say one ethereum has
scaled right so we heard this in
vitalik's talk in the opening we heard
it from Hart in his talk we heard it
from BK in his talk we have I I'll just
quote this this year L2 fees went down
from 50 cents to less than one cent this
is a huge change uh BK says four years
after announcing rollup Centric road map
we've launched almost 50 rollups the
cost of transactions ethereum just
plummeted now you can run a transaction
for just pennies said Hart uh and this
is clear I think this is clear for many
of us using this now ethereum no longer
is struggling with these massive scaling
problems that we've had for many years
and we've we've
scaled I would say also l2s are great
for ethereum we've seen this both from
Mike who was talking about l2s and their
relationship to ethereum Growing the
ecosystem and uh and and and the
relation to the eth the asset uh and Mar
who was explaining how C is recently
transition from L an L1 to an L2 to join
the ethereum ecosystem and bring all of
their ecosystem now together unified
with us so I would say l2s are not only
just great for ethereum l2s are
ethereum the ux is improved and ready
for the masses we had a entire track on
usability we had workshops around
usability we had an account abstraction
Hub of which I hope many of you got to
participate in we discussed things
around uh user interfaces around gas
fees being low gas sponsoring cross L2
user experience for which Hart says we
want ethereum to feel like one chain
again and this is what is happening
ethereum is feeling like one chain again
finally thanks to improvements like ERC
4337 ERC 7683 rip
772 ERC
3668 I can go on but all of this has
been discussed here here this week and
it's super exciting to see that finally
the user experience with ethereum is is
improving and your grandmother soon will
be able to use
it also we we were reminded we covered
why we are here why we are here right so
I will actually these two quotes out
Peter said we shouldn't assume the
particular transparency of an existing
technology is some kind of moral or
ethical imperative rather than a mere
technological accident or a temporary
limitation and Harry halin reminded us
that we must believe that all humans
should have the right to use strong
cryptography the right to transact
freely and the right to of freedom of
speech uh and and these are important
values and they're not exclusively the
only values we need to care about we
need to care about open Global
participation the importance of credible
neutrality Cooperative mindsets many
many more but this is what we covered in
the cypherpunk and privacy track and
what many of you got to listen to and be
reminded of throughout this week uh also
we got to look at we got to see ethereum
through a new light right A New
Perspective on what what is ethereum
what is crypto ethereum as a defensive
technology as one of the defensive
technologies that we should be working
through through diac day so there are
many of you who participated in D act
day defensive
accelerationism and I'll read a couple
quotes out here uh vitalic talks about
cyber defense being where all reasonable
people agree who the hacker is
cryptography zkps Etc help here info
events somewhat help here reasonable
people can't agree on who the attacker
is we need technologists to help filter
through this info but I think you can
look at ethereum now and crypto as a
defensive technology and we now realize
why defensive technology is needed in
this era uh and in the areas coming up
and why we should focus on that why this
should be an intentional development of
defensive
technology we also got to see what is
the relationship between ethereum and
programmable cryptography so both Justin
and gub sheep who you just saw up here
on stage uh discuss a lot about the next
generation of cryptography we we are now
able to use the next generation of
cryptography it's been theoretical for
many years H and it is finally becoming
practical to actually build applications
with it and the next generation of
cryptography plus e
enables applications that we've just
simply never been able to build before
and this is extremely exciting right so
there was an entire Community Le session
today uh all it was called programmable
cryptography all of the Frog related
stuff is all about programmable
cryptography it's fun it's gimmicky but
there's actually real stuff happening
behind the scenes right every time you
scan a QR code you're getting a pod you
are you are you were you were
interacting with programmable
cryptography every single ticket you
received was a pod inside of zup pass
which is a piece of programmable
cryptography and all of this in
combination with ethereum enables things
that we have never been able to build
before so all of that content was
covered in the Pro programmable
cryptography uh track applied
cryptography track and more uh and
lastly what we saw here what we saw this
week was that the ethereum community is
global and it is vibrant right I just
love looking at this map that we had
down there and and I appreciate it for
all of you that put pins in and I bet
you there are many more who did not but
I it's just impressive to see where
everyone has come from all the locations
that everyone has come from uh and the
other thing I really really love to see
was the community hubs uh I want to give
a big round of applause for everyone who
organized one of these Community hubs or
contributed to one of these Community
hubs because they were absolutely
incredible I think I think that is one
of the things that separates Devcon in
this community out from many others
right like this was a a an incredibly
unique experience
the the content the programming that you
had throughout there the passion that
you showed and exhibited in these
Community hubs were were incredible so
so thank you once again and just another
Testament to how vibrant this community
really
is and all of this is actually all of
the talks that we just talked about all
the narratives you can find already
recorded and live on our Devcon app the
ones from today should be there soon and
soon you'll be able to ask D.A AI if you
have any questions around these talks
and want to uh learn more about them so
stay tuned for that uh but back to what
what what are we here for right like
what do we actually want to achieve out
of Devcon do we want to have a cool
event with I mean these are things we do
want we want to have a cool event we
want you guys to be happy we want the
Wi-Fi to finally work for once which I
actually think it did pretty well I
don't know uh Round of Applause for
that I think I don't know how many
devons has been since that actually that
actually worked uh
we also want good food and all these
things but really our ultimate goal what
is our ultimate goal our goal is to
improve ethereum right and use ethereum
to improve Humanity this is kind of the
goal that we're here working towards and
the goal here specifically is that we
hope that you all can contribute to this
goal right like whether that means
creating an app that eventually onboards
millions and does so while inheriting
the values that we care about or it's
building infrastructure that also
inherits and and abides the to the
values that we care about making more
education for for those to spread
awareness of what ethereum is how you
can use it both like in your local
community in your government uh things
like this uh or it's like just Community
efforts in general all of those I think
would be amazing to see come out of this
event and and and and what we want to
see really is someone who impacts the
the future um impacts the future by
building or contributing to ethereum
somehow and perhaps that person right
now is is is attending Devcon and being
exposed to ethereum for their first time
right like just as Nick reminded Us in
the panel this is decade zero of Devcon
uh we are focused on long-term goals we
are looking at the true impact of Devcon
might not even be seen for for many
years from now right like hopefully the
people who are sitting in this room for
the first time getting exposed to Devcon
it might take you a few years to
actually have this this this massive
impact but I absolutely believe you can
in fact it's it's it's the same thing
that all of us have done right we've all
attended our first Devcon we got exposed
to our first uh ethereum content at some
point and and have gone on from there
and so I would say now is the time to
get involved now is the time to dive
deeper and this is what I would say is
the ultimate goal of of Devcon why we're
here and and so what's next right what
is next we are concluding Devcon
southeast Asia what is coming up next
Devcon 2026 so Devcon happens every two
years right like why do we do it every
two years I'd say there's a there's a
few reasons uh for one we want it to be
significant we want it to be special uh
so Devcon happening every two years
makes us like really appreciate this
gathering this worldwide Global
Gathering of the ethereum community much
much more it also allows us to focus on
the road to Devcon right so what o
presented early all of these efforts
that we put into this region to help
support the community uh and this has
all happened uh through the road to
Devcon which takes time and so we will
hope to work on the road to Devcon over
the next two years uh and lastly this
event just takes time it takes time to
put on it takes a lot of time H we
basically start over every year we go
somewhere new and so this will be where
we end up I mean so this will be when we
have next Devcon uh but next year we
will have Dev connects so Dev connects
uh many of you are familiar with but
some of you are not Dev connect is a
different type of event entirely right
Dev connect is our event where we we
delegate we let the community create the
content largely so it's a week of many
independent events unlike this one right
here everyone is in the same venue
everyone is together we are all cross
collaborating you can get all types of
content here at Devcon there are or at
devc connect there are many independent
events all focused on specific domains
specific themes H and they are all
organized by those who are most familiar
with those domains with those themes uh
and so this allows us to go a lot deeper
to dive deeper into Dev connect or into
these themes uh and this will happen
next year so
where uh it's an open question and the
Forum is open so we have the Devcon
Forum H and actually like if you look up
here this was one of the proposals one
of many
maybe even a 100 proposals for where we
should bring Devcon uh
2024 and it was actually created by o
none other than o who wasn't on our team
at that point uh but this was one of the
proposals that we created that he
created and that we reviewed while
looking at all the countries in in
Southeast Asia and Beyond uh and so
there are proposals open for where to
bring not just Devcon not just devc
connect but also the also ethereum
events in general so we have a we have a
proposal we have a we have a forum
forum. devon. org and uh yeah I know
there are more people more organizations
like eth Global included that look at
this forum to see where they should
bring their events in the future and so
if you want to propose your your
location there it's also a good way to
gather your community together and maybe
you end up hosting your own
event so let's see here oh I would like
to invite back up o and Winnie to cover
something special that's happening today
uh so oh
winie give a round of applause for Owen
Winnie all
right test test okay um yeah so as some
of you might know some of you might not
today is like a Tong day right um so I
would like to summarize it quickly um I
took out excerpt from from from the
internet so it's an excerpt by Simon D
Luber a French diplomat to sayam um or
Thailand back then uh in 1687 so that's
about like 300 years ago um what he said
is that the siames have also uh formed
religious shows when the water begins to
retreat the people returns them thanks
for several nights together with a great
illumination
not only for that they are retired but
for the fertility which they render to
the lands I think this is really well um
with our closing day today where the
water which is all of you have flowed
from all across the globe convene in a
single place right now and we are about
to depart and going back to our
homelands but what you are leaving
behind in Saudi Asia is the fertility
which will grow the ethereum ecosystem
further from today and onwards so today
we'd like to invite you all to celebrate
with us in the loong day not for just
the cultural experience but also for the
ethereum ecosystem in Southeast Asia
itself raise the nose so there's going
to be a lot of activities going on
around Bangkok so it will be crowded and
super traffic um along the Lakeside
there's going to be a l Graton kind of
Festival events going on as well so you
are open to join after but
we are going to celebrate a very
spacious and secret l in a way so stay
tuned and after just be careful and
let's use the Metro because it's going
to be very
traffic cool thank you thank you thank
you Winnie thank you oh you can step up
here oh actually yeah done done uh I
would like to invite up a at this
point everyone this is a the executive
director of the ethereum foundation give
a round of applause
Ria right I don't know okay
um so um I'd like to just ask well I
said on the panel that if we if etherum
still needs Devcon it has to be very
very special so I would like to ask
question to the
audience uh was this Decon special to
you
was this ston very magical to
[Applause]
you I'd like to welcome the team who
made that
happen invite the team Devon
[Applause]
team nice
nice yeah I guess walk all the way in
all the way all the way or send Center
Center Center
go
nice um so with the size of the audience
more than
doubled that's making keeping the
quality um professional still yet unique
and
eum that wasn't easy and these are the
people who made that magic happen so
please give them big round of
applause nice I will I will get the mic
back to amazing thank you ya thank you
ya and I think one of the coolest things
about this team is actually that of
these 18ish people we are representing
13 different countries uh so maybe SI
aside for a second so we can see exactly
where we are from the world around the
world uh but one of the coolest things
also is that like this event was put on
by much more than just this team here
right we've been working on this for a
year some of us two years to to make
this event happen but there are of
course many more people involved in
making this happen in particular the
volunteers so i' would also like to
invite up the volunteer leads to the
stage volunteer leads can you please
come up to the stage and all volunteers
can you please stand up stand up and
let's give a massive Round of Applause
for all of these volunteers they're what
made this event
happen and on the map here you can see
this is
where once we once we sum up all of the
volunteers all of our team this is where
everyone's coming from right like I
think this is an incredible
representation of the ethereum community
and is one of its strength is it
diversity so let's come together take a
photo let's take take a
photo quick
photo quick photo quick photo quick
photo
okay hurry up hurry
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up all right amazing
okay with
this we conclude the opening ceremony uh
and I want to say thank you all for
coming to Devcon southeast Asia thank
you for joining us here today and let's
take this let's use this as inspiration
to go out and build and contribute and
hopefully hopefully hopefully eventually
improve Humanity thank you all
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