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thank you everyone for being here can
you raise your hand if you were in the
rave last night
it's a extra thanks for you for being
here so I hope you had fun and I hope we
can have fun in the next 15 minutes as
the panel says we are going to talk
about who are the next billion ethereum
users and how can ethereum positively
impact their lives
I'm super privileged and honored to be
here with the new fellows from Material
Foundation mihelo Mary Joffrey and we're
going to be talking about the different
projects the different motivations why
are there personally moved to be
addressing this these next billion
people they think they are going to be
impacted by ethereum and when we start
with a round of introductions
um Marie do you want to go first sure my
name is Mary P Davies and my project is
the digital asset perpetuity project and
the goal of the project is to answer the
question what happens to your eth when
you die
where are you coming from tell us a
little bit about your background Murray
um I'm a legal technologist and a
researcher I have a background in
compliance and law and I did a master's
thesis on
basically digital assets that were
things like Facebook pages and that kind
of thing and it led me to looking at
digital assets that have Fiat value and
how to transfer those when you die
and yeah that's basically how I how I
got to where I'm at so it sounds that
you are the kind of people that read the
terms and conditions of everything right
I do I read terms and conditions yeah I
do okay okay okay and what brought you
to the web Tree World what brought you
to Defcon what how do you connect where
you were coming from to this world well
when you start looking at the trouble
people have with with digital assets
like a Facebook page or their or their
email and then you think okay that's
that's a problem but it's not something
that they've invested tens of thousands
of dollars in that suddenly disappears
when they die I mean right now we have
no process for transferring our digital
assets when we die and as the value goes
up and the popularity goes up that's
going to become a bigger and bigger
problem it sounds opportunity there yeah
thanks thank you thank you Mary Joffrey
do you want to introduce yourself sure
thanks thanks so much uh so my name is
Jeffrey I'm a co-founder at a y
combinator back startup called Poco and
I think for me how I'm involved as
fallow and ethereum Foundation is that
I've been looking a lot at how we can
better get Regulators to interact with
webtree technology and to learn and
understand not just the technology that
we have here but also the culture that
we have around decentralization and how
they can build better policies that
that the intersection between
decentralized and centralized systems
interesting interesting actually there
was a very hot conversation about
Revelations right now before the
panelist started Jeffrey can you tell us
a little bit about your background are
you an engineer are you yeah so I kind
of took a almost like accidental journey
into the regulation and policy making
process I actually start out I got first
introduced to Bitcoin in 2012 when I was
in MIT doing research and then I was
working on the product and Technology
side of things launching a protocol in
2017 and then I found myself having to
work a lot more with Regulators since
then not the most fun thing to do but
very important
um and you know I was actually helping
the Central Bank in Singapore
kind of launch their experiments around
blockchain technology so they can learn
and understand what's going on there but
I think my journey and interest in
blockchain technology is a lot more
personal okay uh so I used to run a
non-profit that trained women
entrepreneurs in an ofic sanctioned
country uh we were doing everything
compliantly and then one day the bank
comes to us and they said hey uh you are
operating a high-risk environment we're
going to shut down your company's uh
your non-profits bank account uh and and
that was a huge blow to us it took a lot
of time to sort out those issues and the
worst part of it is that we didn't do
anything wrong you know we were
compliant the bank made a business
decision around the risk they had to
face and I see that problem happening
again today where uh because of the
perception of regulators and the
pressure from Regulators they are
conflating activities that are
legitimate and illegitimate and I think
vastly affecting the industry I think
that's something that motivates me to
help Regulators better understand what
web3 is all about awesome Jeffrey so uh
as as Mary was introducing herself and
now Joffrey we can see that probably
because we don't like to talk about that
and because we don't like to talk with
Regulators maybe we can find the next
billion people there right so I mean hey
look can you share a bit about you your
motivations your background
thank you Jay hello everyone my name is
Michael I'm coming from the organization
of the Scout movement this is where I
lead the digital transformation and
technological projects so can I say
highlight this yeah like this like this
okay okay yeah so I'm just scouting the
room and so yeah
I'm here with the Italian fellowship and
my project is basically about looking
into how how to Gear Up This the
movement educational non non-formal
educational Movement Like scouting is or
58 million members in 220 territories
around the world how do we bring them
and get them ready for web 3-0 how do we
make how do we work with young people
um you know and to understand the
blockchain and to be the citizens of the
of the the future world yeah and what
about uh like like your your educational
background where are you coming from in
that sense sure uh my education
background is project management okay
then I basically all the time I was in
the I.T type of projects and
technological projects uh I volunteered
for The Scouting for
um for most of my life I was a scout and
volunteered and then started very early
actually to work for the world
organization discount movement first in
the European level and then later on now
at the global uh headquarters which is
now based in Malaysia for the past nine
years
awesome awesome love it so we can tell
that perhaps from from and I I will try
to oversimplify so no means to this
respect so for my volunteering kind of
approach from a legal Tech approach and
from a policy making approach let's see
and let's dig deeper into what's the
next billion what we are thinking uh
will be the next billion users for your
turn Community
um Jeffrey when we when you think or
when you hear this question or when you
joined the the next billion team I sent
out their own fellow what's the Persona
that comes to your mind can you describe
that person or that stereotype or that
yeah subject yeah so um we're doing a
lot of work with the government of
Kazakhstan to Pilot certain experiments
around web tree technology and also web
tree regulations
um and I think the one thing that really
stood out to me was that uh the Central
Bank did a survey and they found that 25
of the population had exposure to crypto
so and I think you'll see that
consistent number going anywhere from 10
to 30 in most countries around the world
and I think when you think about it
there's really a population of like 70
that would not have touch uh any of
these Technologies almost in every
country in the world so I see it as a
very very big pool of people who have
not uh had access to crypto have not
touched it and then once you think about
actual decentralized technology because
most people with their first exposures
through on-rems through centralized
exchanges uh once you think about
actually say hey have you set up a
metamask have you used any DM that
number drops to maybe like five percent
three percent and I think that's really
the Gap that we're trying to close uh in
a number of ways yeah interesting I I
love when when these statistics come and
they say like hey just in 2021 the
crypto adoption went like like at two
thousand percent like oh that's a lot
but then just in Latin America is like
30 million people out of 650 million so
it represents almost nothing there there
is a billion here and there right Marie
what about you what's what's the Persona
that that you think well that comes to
your mind when you think of the next
billion
well when I think of the next billion I
don't I don't think of it from the
perspective of a Persona I think of it
more as a product and then I think what
exactly are we selling to the next
billion and if I drill down into it what
I see is what we're selling is a trusted
product and service and if we take if we
take a step down from that what we're
selling is Trust so what we need to do
to reach the next build billion is to
build the trust of our ecosystem and
these products and services that we make
because if people don't trust us they
won't use us
okay so interesting I'm I'm willing to
dig deeper here but I don't know how to
put it
I'll come back I'll come back to that it
will come to me can you can you describe
the Scouts can you I believe that
discounts are your personas right yeah
that's that's actually what I have in
mind I have in mind not just cows but
young people the future
uh future is in them and they we talk
about building trust with The Regulators
we talk about these challenges
but the future Regulators will be the
young people of today and those those
people are not for into these
Technologies and things
um for them this is all more natural
more open they're more open-minded
there's less foreign less for them for
them but what we need to do uh to to
reach that uh one next billion I think
we need to work
um work with the young people thinking
of the long-term future work in the
presence work now with The Regulators
work with the uh all the stakeholders
right now and the people in the room but
also think of the future and work with
the young young Generations uh that will
be the future regulator future users
future and and you know mobilizing
mobilizing more showing to the world
that
um
blockchain is not only about crypto that
is about doing good that is technology
for good and showing them what I felt
here when I came first day that this is
really about everybody is in the mission
of doing something good and solving some
some real life problems so if we could
build a trust by showing
um to everyone more you know becoming
from a niche from a niche group as you
said that that growth becoming a
mainstream and the path is to build the
trust and and make make ourselves more
open
and I believe that the web tree and
blockchain ecosystem in general has a
lot to learn about these clouds the
scouts kind of organically or naturally
organized in different nodes right let's
say it's a very interesting approach to
to see things so I I became an
auditorium fellow during a hard years
this is the first time I met well the
next billion team in person uh but even
though we we didn't have the time to
share in person a term Foundation helped
me a lot because I worked with public
institutions because I want to to teach
public servants and also serve
technology and also bring them into web
trade Technologies and kind of get into
your government portal and instead of
creating a digital profile just connect
your wallet so that kind of approach for
us was let's jump into the web tree and
let's bring institutions into the
laboratory that was my approach to
applying into a term foundation and to
become a fellow and to try to learn how
the information can help us and how we
can also help the term ecosystem when
you think of that when you think of how
you applied to become an ethereum fellow
what's the problem you were describing
with this person as what's what's that
thing that personally moves you to be
tackling or addressing or trying to
gather these next billion people Joffrey
do you wanna yeah sure
um I think the the big gap with um
working in Regulators is that they and
policy makers is that they don't you
know going back is like the problem
statement I had was that they don't
understand the culture they don't
understand the technology you ask a
regulator have they use a metamask
um none of them would have done it I
just want to check you know in the
audience is there any Regulators or
policy makers in this audience here
raise your hand if anyone okay so so I
think that's uh they clearly need to go
for them right yeah
you can't understand the culture without
being here without feeling it and
interacting with the community and the
approach that we are taking uh is to get
Regulators to experiment with the
technology uh so in Kazakhstan for
example we are working with the
government uh on two different projects
uh one is around uh provision of public
services so they have a national I.T
Park they have a bunch of Education uh
activities around it and they say Hey
you know if we transform this into a Dao
a decentralized autonomous organization
uh what does it look how will people use
the technology uh you know will people
need to how do they open up wallets how
do they use those wallets to interact
with each other these are things that
are very very new to most people in the
world and they want to experiment and
try and see to understand exactly what
it is that they're dealing with here
um the other thing is that they are
introducing a national crypto Fiat rail
by mandate but then as they start doing
it they say oh you know
we have all the stakeholders with all
these different issues you know how do
we think about it you know what's
happening out there
um and I think learning by doing is just
so critical uh in trying to understand
the web tree space from a policy maker
perspective
interesting and there's a new customary
is there any like personal motivation
that you feel that it's moving you uh to
to to tackle the problem that you're
referring I love how you introduce
yourself and it's I am Mary I'm working
on how to do what will happen to you it
when you die so it's really good but is
is there anything that is actually
moving you towards there uh is there
anything you want to share on how you
apply to their information how you
describe this problem and what moves you
to be kind of pulling these next billion
people towards the ecosystem
well I think that
without getting all deathy when people
die transferring assets from the
individual to their estate is extremely
complicated it it involves not only
inheritance laws state law but contract
law Privacy Law and and it isn't as
simple as just handing over the asset
and the laws are very old and they're
complicated and they're different
jurisdictions have different laws and in
some jurisdictions multiple laws apply
and I thought that the way to approach
the problem of what happens to your
youth when you die is to at first build
a database of all of the laws that apply
across the world
to transfer of assets on death and then
to look for patterns in those laws and
then to sort of compile that as a list
of requirements and then approach the
community and say these are the legal
problems that we have with assets
transfer on death how do we use our
technology to solve them
and that that was the sort of driver
that that got me going and realizing
that if we disrupt what I call disrupt
from within if we look at how it works
now and look at what needs to be
reformed and changed and how technology
can replace things like Wills need a
wetting signature that's crazy they need
to be on paper that's crazy I mean we
have technology that can do that without
either of those requirements but unless
we know whether those unless we
understand the law enough to know that
that solution will work I think we risk
having flying in the face of disruption
right and and being opposed by the
powers that regulate that sort of thing
rather than being accepted by them
interesting
um and it's you just made me think that
when we die and when we have money in a
regular Bank like Fiat like for example
in Mexico you have no will and no one
claims it the bank just used his money
yeah that's the way it goes uh but but
here when we're thinking about the eat
for example it's bad for you and it's
bad for the ecosystem because it got
luck so the problem gets bigger and
bigger right and that's a problem it's a
problem for an individual but it's also
a problem for our ecosystem if if uh
digital assets are frozen or I mean
think of a I think of a service provider
that has
the Frozen Ethan on his books how do
they handle that I don't know
so yeah it is and also the going back to
my trust point if they if we can't be to
transfer assets the way other assets
transferred are people going to trust
eth itself or digital assets registered
on blockchain with smart contracts so it
is it's a it's a multiple layer problem
very interesting yeah very interesting
problem so uh going to Yumi hello uh are
you thinking of an actual problem or an
opportunity that that is personally
moving you to to kind of persuade these
58 million people you said yeah 58
million people to come in so what what
are you thinking what what are your
thoughts behind that
so as a scouting is in as a scout as
myself and scouting is in a mission of
creating better world we do that by
creating better citizens for the future
we do that by providing them non-formal
education opportunities so bringing this
other education that nobody talked about
so much or is not but it's actually
bigger and in some cases also more
relevant especially in today's uh times
where education is evolving so education
uh education education so it's really
really about that so personally I am
um I'm on that mission looking into how
we educate more young people to do to
use this how we get more and more users
um and how we with that spark their
um curiosity
and there so it's not that we are giving
and this is how you do it so you go and
be doer but hey this is how you do how
you do it but you can think of other
solution another way to build something
on this and feel free and how do we
Nutrish that Community within community
so my my goal would be to create one of
the things I would do in the project is
to create a community within scouting
that works on the blockchain the scouts
who are interested about battery web 3-0
and blockchain and and support their
work basically not not direct them not
guide them but just support their issues
and I'm thinking to do that like a Dao
Community as well also within the
scouting yeah so
um yeah I believe that's that's the
answer for this I think very interesting
I can think about multiple things from
from digital identity and I remember uh
Danny Ryan sharing on the opening that
the probably the next steps for for The
Ether ecosystem are not going to be
Financial but perhaps tapping into the
potential of identities and and I can
see an opportunity here in Dallas
um yep just one thought uh about the
debt that you mentioned in the
identities you remind management a very
important problem that we look into
solving are it's a big challenge of
today of course is the child abuse abuse
of any kind not a child but anyone adult
young people anywhere any abuse any any
form of abuse I am very interested to
figure out how technology can help us in
that so and I believe there is a way you
can help us it's it's about yeah
impartial unit education but partially
also about figuring out the system and
mechanisms for creating a safe
environments for everyone I think that's
also something I'm very like motivated
and driven to so that would be one of
the important initiatives within
scouting very interesting and I can see
uh the kind of the the hard part of the
motivation behind so and that's that's
what we need to get the next billion to
be like Purpose Driven and persist uh
and that's going to be that's gonna be
it so before I jump into opening
questions and opening the floor for for
the audience to to tap into different
things on around your what you have been
sharing I would love you to share
where are you going or how do you think
the ethereum ecosystem can help you to
reach this next billion uh do you have
any any challenges in mind do you do
where do you see yourself in six months
from now into reaching this next billion
Jeffrey you want to go
yes I think one of the issues um you
know where I see this decentralized
system meeting centralized system uh
kind of bumping up against quite
frequently
um I think it's in the crypto Fiat rails
and I do believe that that's still very
much the call through which most new
users uh in the world will start to get
access to this ecosystem uh and I think
it's something that there needs to be uh
ways to kind of facilitate that and make
that a more seamless transition and in
many parts of the world it's getting a
lot more restrictive you know I go to my
bank and I say my company is dealing a
lot with crypto uh you know the bank
community says oh high risk customer
forget it I'm going to shut down your
bank account uh so I think that's one
area uh you know I love to talk to
people you know if they have to have to
deal with these issues especially from a
kind of compliance I love to engage with
people to to learn about you know kind
of the conversations they're having uh
in a confidential Manner and and you
know what best uh what can best be done
to persuade Regulators that there isn't
the kind of risk that they imagine
exists in this ecosystem uh the other
part I'm super excited about actually is
um gaming I'm a gamer
um and I believe that actually in
Southeast Asia uh where I live I'm
currently in Vietnam
um I think games is a very very great
way to introduce a lot of people that
don't have um experience kind of uh with
this ecosystem and get them into it uh
even the the dial that we are working at
the national iot park in Kazakhstan it
actually came out from an original
thinking where they are trying to say
how do I gamify the experience and
involvement of my community with the
infrastructure that we have
and now it's extended into the web tree
space so I think you know that's another
area I'm just super excited about I
would love to talk to people who know
the web 3 gaming space better than I do
awesome awesome Murray where do you see
or what's the obstacle what's the
challenges that we are seeing up front
in the next six months for your project
and for reaching this next billion
well I think in six months we'll have a
database of all the law that applies to
the transfer of digital assets when you
die
um I'm gonna need it it'll be no I want
it to be an open source database so I'm
going to need some sort of a platform to
record it and make it accessible to
people
and then the next step is to create the
list of legal requirements for what
needs to happen in different
jurisdictions and then what I'm hoping
is that the community will be able to
look at those and say okay we've got the
technology to do this and this we can
solve this problem with a technical
solution and that that that's the sort
of vision for the next phase of my
project
okay interesting what about what about
you Milo do you do you see any any
challenges there I mean I can take a
picture some of them but what are you
what do you see your like your next
steps
can you share with the audience you're
going sure thank you so we'll start with
the smaller bites of course and the
things that would be easy and will
actually be a
um something that Scouts will be very
motivated and easy going to to accept is
there will of course start creating or
putting the the Scout badges into the uh
and turning them into the nft badges and
putting them in a via Pope and other
technologies will put them into into the
wallet so we'll have Scout wallet with
Scout badges
um so that will help Scouts bring on
Scouts on like on a Basics on a you know
first level understanding having you
know what's the hash what's the private
key what's the
um what's the nft what's the what's the
wallet and then we go into deeper we go
into like again having these champions
in in
um inside of the community looking into
how
um what projects we could get into into
what projects we could do what are the
most relevant ones I heard so many good
ideas since I came here about what we
can do in scouting for example I you
mentioned we are decentralized yes we
have local Scout groups everywhere in
this neighborhood also there is a scout
group actually
um and they are in they they need some
support in like creating a simple a
treasury
um a treasury mechanism with a
blockchain or
um you know they also like scouting is
voluntary LED meaning that people are
voted for and elected to lead and and
then to you know represent
um them in the other circles so using
Dao there and things like that so I what
I'm looking forward from this community
is like ideas and openness maybe to
suggest some things and help us actually
do these things we are non-profit and
yeah we're looking forward for anyone
who want to partner uh on a doing good
basis and and do something great
together solve some big problems awesome
awesome I remember when I was a kid I
was a I used to be a scout
um and I remember having different means
because of the different accomplishments
or Milestones so now we're going to have
pull-ups maybe right exactly
um so there's 25 more minutes here and I
believe that this is a good amount of
time for opening uh to to the floor like
anyone in the audience wants to to pick
the Brilliance of these fellows and how
they are planning to reach the next
billion users
one sec buddy
hello great to meet you all fantastic
work you're doing
um uh one of the things some of the
things I heard is the use cases that you
are all approaching are kind of existing
use cases payments smart contracts maybe
DIY or credentialing at least for Scouts
um and so what it sounds like is like
we've done well for these first billion
with this use case let's push that to
another billion
um Jeffrey you mentioned gaming are
there other use cases that you see as
you look at different sort of
populations or is it a matter of we've
got some good use cases we just need to
reach more people I'm just curious about
your thoughts on a macro level on that
stuff
yeah
um so I think the so for me the way I
look at this is that when I think of the
next billion um uh it's that I think
different countries interact and learn
about crypto in in very different ways
right so going back to the Kazakhstan uh
example it was quite interesting because
what happened in Kazakhstan was that
China banned Mining and all the miners
fled to Kazakhstan and then they were
like at first they panic because you
know they consume a lot of electricity
Kazakhstan 1.0 number one or number two
hash rate in the world
and the government panic and they they
overreacted and they kind of climbed
down on it and then after that they said
hey this is actually a very interesting
industry you know we need to do more or
more about it more in it and then they
started inviting uh exchanges back into
Kazakhstan you know binance set up there
a bunch of other exchanges went in there
and and got established
um so I I think it's the way I look at
it is too that um we need new
applications that provide benefit to
people on a day-to-day basis
um but I think that the pool of people
that we have not touched uh is still
very very huge because you go in there
and they they are at the beginning of
learning about this uh most of them
would still not have a metamask wallet
um 25 of population owns digital assets
um but you know there is a lens and a
process in which some of these countries
learn about crypto and I think it's
still a very very early stage in terms
of the 75 or 80 of each of these
countries that you know crypto has not
touched it
so to build on that and about the use
cases and this is more tapping into my
experience uh from the previous year
being an ethereum fellow working with
the public sector typically they don't
there's no one wanting to be the Pioneer
Pioneer they want to be the second
Pioneer the third Pioneer but not the
first one right uh so so winning these
small battles having these different use
cases is always super relevant this kind
of a divide and concur approach it's
more on the on the mindset of them uh we
start for example with uh just
verifiable credentials for commercial
permits that was a very simple thing and
then at some point we started certifying
City inspectors and policemen so that
you were able to actually scan and see
if that was an actual policeman doing
their job and then we started into
construction permits and then we are now
thinking about legislation uh there's
actually a congresswoman here doing that
thing she's using her WhatsApp right now
but
now she's she's helping with the
legislation right now but because of the
use cases so after we moved with around
50 different implementations different
flavors just as the ones I've done I
just mentioned we were able to start
thinking about law initiatives and after
law initiatives you can start thinking
about how regulation can foster
innovation no block Innovation and then
after that we start stitching the
ecosystem and saying hey can we have
standards can we share the same thing
when we talk about Identity or public
sector credentials or or a sense of
ownership of your digital assets and
then we are now integrating even with
more webtree services so everything
departed from the use cases and that
this was just to highlight the relevance
of your questions so thank you Jeffrey
do you want to add on that
actually just want to add a quick point
I think because you you raised something
very interesting in terms of how
regulators
think about this technology
um I think one of the part I one of my
biggest fear is that uh there is
different use cases for webtree in
different countries right if I'm a small
country I might think differently if I'm
a big country I want to regulate a
different way because I have different
interests at stake and what I see in
this space is because most of them do
not understand the technology and don't
have access to the expertise they will
just copy the US most of the time and
the US chooses to regulate web Tree in a
way because they have particular policy
interest that doesn't isn't the same
shed interest as all these different
countries
so definitely there's there's a Snowball
Effect here you have the more problems
you find the more business and impact
opportunities you find right as well so
any other question anyone wants to jump
in
hi so uh I was thinking is there any way
that uh um the ethereum foundation is
documenting this kind of like growth
building blocks on how
um like every single one of you have a
different approach on how we can reach
that next billion uh so is there any
kind of like documentation on how that
like the growth building blocks are
starting to merge with the patterns that
you're discovering
do you have any plans of sharing any of
that kind of documentation do you have
any plan to kind of should be limited
no it's a good question I mean we have
plans to look into understand a little
bit what where what's the the stage zero
where we are at the moment and then to
measure throughout the step the the time
of this projects what's the impact made
and and what's the like what has changed
from that zero so for example for my
project I'll be looking into where we
are and scouting and there's identifying
some use cases and we'll be identifying
if someone is already working on it on
the national local levels of identifying
you know the interest in that sense and
then on the end I would also measure a
little bit how that increased for
example uh over hopefully over the six
months
I think um you know this is a experiment
in itself right I think we are figuring
out uh ourselves how do we best achieve
the impact that we want but I think the
point you raise about sharing I think is
really really crucial because what I
noticed with policy makers is that or
even Banks right so we're trying to say
hey Banks please Bank people with crypto
and their first response is that oh it's
very very high risk can you point out to
other people that are doing it so that
we can have a sense that what we're
doing is kosher and and I think that
sharing is just so important right when
it comes to a policy process because
honestly most policy makers and
Regulators are conservative they don't
want to stick their neck out and they'll
rather say okay you know who else has
done it and then I can go back and
explain to my stakeholders that I'm not
trying to be too crazy here
remember you were saying about uh
building this uh database or repository
of the different flavors of regulations
that we have uh so are you planning to
to open source to show it somehow what
are your plans on that yeah absolutely
because I think that it will help
companies when they're putting together
projects and they write their terms and
conditions like today I think the only
thing you can put in is that there is a
risk that when you if you die holding
this account you will lose everything
that's in it
and I think once we get a little bit
more knowledge about the different laws
it may end up being that we have three
or four different variations based on
where you're resident in the world
because you know not only where your
resident where the asset is resident and
where the person dies that those things
all Impact how Property Transfers
so yeah it the plan is definitely to
make this open source and ultimately to
create a standard of how
whatever our solution is so that it's
you it I have a vision in my head of it
being something like an nft standard
where there's there's one way of it's
done and it works for all all concerned
it would be interesting and an
interesting documentation challenge to
think of six months and having your
documentation documentation for web 3
wheel kind of thing right it will be
very interesting that's the long-term
Vision yes yeah definitely that'll take
a while because we have to go through
law reform before we get there final
problem yeah on a very bright practical
note on that um me being a fellow from
the previous cohort what we built was a
different notion sites so everything is
open uh there is even a blog post at
ethereum.org and you can go to the blog
and you can see you can actually go to
my Twitter and you'll you'll see the
peanut tweet there so we try to blog we
try to say videos and we and
particularly notion work well as a tool
to sharing different information so that
may that may answer your question in a
very practical approach so anyone else
yes please can
hey Jose I'm from Brazil so thank you
for like brainstorming for the adapting
the next billion one thing I believe
we're all working here a lot for an
incremental change how we incrementally
improve something we have between our
hands
um like
we were working on the hackathon like a
couple of days ago and there is one
thing for instance the address the
wallet address which is the very very
very basic something for anybody coming
to ethereum or any crypto do you have to
set up a wallet address for him
the wallet address by itself whatever in
ethereum which is hexadecimal or in
Bitcoin it use a Latin actor which is
already exclusive there is 20 30 percent
of population they can't recognize the
Latin character
you know like there is there is the ones
they recognize the Latin character and
hexadecimal for them is like extremely
weird but there is the ones they don't
even recognize it and that's already 1.5
billion of population we have today so
we work it we actually won the prize on
this part the re like presenting the
wallet address on shape like instead of
having it hexadecimal I can let the
numbers one to ten ABCD FD we having it
hard
Square
which is shapes and colors something
kids could recognize and my grandma can
there is some stuff like very basic I
would say just like instead of us
working incrementally to improve
something exist maybe we try to think
about it against scratch from zero it's
like how if this if I don't have
anything how I would Express this how I
would do this if I don't have anything
already exist
I just want to share this and and I
appreciate really your work on the
incremental and I know as like as
anybody working in a domain Focus head
you have to increment but yeah how do
you feel about like scratching something
just like let's throw this all away and
scratch some some some brainstorm from
zero yeah thank you thank you thank you
for your question I'll try to reframe it
a little bit coming from the use cases
and documentation approach so this is
from how kind of financial scaling
question and and particularly addressing
the language barrier uh as a Brazilian
there's always this thing that we have
with like hey do we have the Latin
American Gathering and everyone is
speaking in Spanish and it feels weird
right uh so I've lived University for a
couple of years and and I know uh where
this comes from in a sense of language
uh and how it kind of becomes an extra
challenge for us also uh talking about
blockchain Cadena de blockes doesn't
sound that sexy you do one blockchain
right so this kind of small steps that
are on the language kind of barriers for
scaling do you have anything to share
like do you have a thought of any
strategies can you can you share
anything
I'd love to share a little bit of that
because I feel touched on a very
important issue about really how how can
it be more inclusive the ecosystem and I
feel one part of kind of is a huge long
gripe of mind is how the ux itself is
can be exclusive an example is that you
know I live in many places where the GDP
per capita is under two three thousand
dollars uh so it's not very very rich
places and when you make a mistake with
your wallet on gas fees or anything it's
very expensive you know me losing three
bucks if I'm in the US because I made a
mistake on my transaction it's not a big
problem me working with someone in
Vietnam uh who loses like three bucks or
ten bucks because they made some mistake
on the transaction that's a huge amount
of money uh and and I think there needs
to be ways to make the ux more inclusive
um I think what you're suggesting might
be One Direction but just I think
there's many many of these little things
that can be done to make it just a much
more inclusive ecosystem
yeah I would like to add on this
inclusivity is very important it's a
very good topic and very good ideas out
there don't think we should think of
anything that we have so far and now as
a set in stone as a founding founding
things that we should never touch uh
that will put us in a very long step we
need to be criticizing and everything
which have a critical thinking over
everything uh maybe it worked but it at
some point but it didn't thought of
everything inclusively now when we have
this mind when we have this conscious of
that we were not inclusive we should go
back and be criticizing on any of the
solutions that we have that are not
inclusive so I think that's very
important to like be be open-minded to
this and and just like challenge
everything that we have if it's if it's
not inclusive enough nothing is Secret
in a way secret and safe uh in insane in
that sense not to be touched so man
well I'm getting a little bit ahead of
my project but I suspect that once we've
gathered all the data we're going to be
jumping from in most places paper
documents to some other form of solution
so yeah I think there is a possibility
to rewrite the whole how the process is
done as long as we work within the legal
framework to do that so yeah
coming back to to the original approach
about language
our white paper was written in Spanish
the Spanish first and it has been a
quite challenged because most of the
people want to read it in English but we
want to reach most of people Spanish
speaking so it is like no no it was
written for you but no no but I want to
read your white paper in English no no
but it was written first but so so yeah
I I feel that challenge a lot so we have
10 more minutes and I would love for
them to have also some kind of a closing
remarks so maybe we have a room for one
or two questions so there's one person
over there please
hi I'm Maggie thank you so much for
sharing and talking on this panel so my
question is actually about building
trust so
um how do you actually build trust
within the audiences that you serve
because I think ethereum for the next
billion is a really big topic that all
of us are looking to work towards but I
think like on the other side for people
that don't know about ethereum or people
that are end users
um what are some of the challenges for
building trust Within These communities
and what are some of the things that
you're doing already to do that I love
that question particularly because from
the different audiences that you're
addressing these next billion people the
first care when they think about Bitcoin
they feel bouncy schemes they feel scams
they feel all these things that we were
discussing before so please jump and and
can we have our 20 minutes please sure
if I if I may just like I think we just
need to be stay more open and show what
the good things are we doing and what we
want to to do with like there is that
it's not about making a personal gain
and it's not about ethereum it's not
about that it's so much about solving
the real real problems I guarantee you
people who are not in this room or not
in the ethereum committee have no clue
about that
and just finding ways how do we bring
that so bring them on talk to your
friends Advocate bring them together you
know organize talks and and disclose all
of this talk about you know instead of
them asking you so what about this is
about cryptocurrencies you can make no
no no let me explain you what this is
about actually and what is what it does
so like going to that I think going into
this um being more open and being you
know like taking off the hoodie and
showing that we are we are human and we
are people and and we want to you know
be open not just like a close little uh
room that you can't access actually
unless you are part of the community
I think we were just chatting before
this session about expectations
pre-devcon and in Devcon
um and I remember you said like oh you
know I taught people be lining up
outside with the Ferraris and the
conversation all about Lambo Lambo Lambo
um and I think it's a very different
vibe we actually got coming down here
and I think uh you know one thing I feel
is like regulators and policy makers
that is their impression of the
community uh and if they if more of them
come to this event I think they would
understand it a lot better and I think
that's something that uh you know has to
be done uh to build that trust where
they actually see hear and interact uh
with the community to understand the
values of this community
and I think to add to that I think our
our style of communication I think we
need to
remember that our audience doesn't come
with the backgrounds that we have and
that we if we can I like to I like to
bridge things so it's like something
you're doing already but it's a little
bit different so that they're not
completely intimidated by what it is
we're doing
um and then to perhaps touch it slightly
controversial nerve we were talking
about this earlier I think we need to
self-regulate
I think that when we have incidents in
the community that are not good
we need to be seen to be disapproving of
those incidents because if you look at
what mainstream media tends to cover
it's things like hacks or exploits of
some sort and that doesn't make us look
good
yeah there is a lot of to build on
self-regulating these communities as the
Opera was asking when she said live is
there any regulator here no one raised a
hand so there's this means that there's
people making rules for how we should
operate or build and determ ecosystem
that they are not in this room that they
are not filling their surprise so it is
our responsibility to bring them here
and also for us to visit them and to
share and to grab this next billion uh
is there any other question sorry just
that to be open-minded with that you
know to understand like where they're
coming from and what their pain problem
points are problems are and how do we
navigate through that instead of being
angry on them you know we have a
tendency when we hear from them like we
will forbid this is not going to work
and it's never you're like no you're
stupid no you should just turn this
different like different really be what
we are a good people open our mind and
open heart like with the with a clean
heart so come into that talks with a
clean you know open-mindness and and and
you know good intentions and also good
like good good heart you know this this
is also why I love the traffic principle
graphic design principles on web3 if I
jump with this shirt into any political
party they don't know who I'm rooting
for so I'm as inclusive as possible
right so this is kind of the message to
bring the next billion to to show every
single color and bring them uh any other
question
well there's probably one minute one
minute and a half I would love for you
to share any closing remarks hopefully
optimistic on how the ethereum ecosystem
can positively impact the life of the
next billion and how people can reach
you
hello yeah sure I can do uh I can start
I think we just need to stay humble but
then on the other hand uh be more open
help help others look for you know one
week once we saw one problem look for
another problem we can solve there are
so many problems in this world but uh
and and maybe we cannot solve them all
but we can solve a lot so
um that's a big task to do and if we are
oriented always to that to look into how
we solve some of the real real problems
then
um then we will stay on a good path and
it will be recognized better it will be
be more and more seen as someone who's
uh who is part of the solution rather
the part of the problem and we need to
prove we're not doing that not only to
prove that as we know we're doing that
for for a good reasons for the good
cause but just staying with this good
cause always and this value system uh
would be very important I think
um I think closing
death and the transfer of assets is a is
a challenging expensive complicated
problem
and I think once we get a baseline of
what rules apply to it I know that the
ethereum community has created a
solution and I'm counting on the
development teams in the in the room to
help with this because we will be we
will be sparing people heartache and
we're sparing them cost and complication
and for a lot of folks it's a legal
process that they don't have access to
lawyers and if we can make it something
that is done automatically and driven by
the holder of the asset I think we can
improve people's lives
yeah I think the one word that really
stands out for me
um is inclusiveness
um and I think the way I see it is that
you know we should be thinking about who
should be a part of this conversation
but it's not a current part of the
conversation uh so I think for me you
know my thought is that I'm going to
have a bring bring a policy maker bring
a regulator to an event uh mindset I
think the future where you know if they
are not you know they are dealing with
these issues but they are not part of
this conversation part of this community
or part of the the environment here uh
it's it's something a burden that I
should take to make sure that you know
they are able to come here and
participate in all of these things
so thank you very much I just want to
close with sharing experience and
experience that I had a couple of years
ago pre-pandemic
um I was in a global government Summit
um actually was an open government
partnership Summit in Ottawa in Canada
uh and to my surprise I was I was
feeling like the only Technologies there
and to my surprise one of the first
conversations at in this stage was Tim
berners-lee so he was sharing all his
thoughts on how he envisioned the
internet and how he's thinking the web
tree will look like or the next internet
or the next web uh and when he stepped
down of the of the scenario say like hey
you know probably probably you and me
are the only Technologies here like what
brought you here do you actually think
that the web tree or the next internet
is going to be better
and he said just like the internet the
web tree is like a sidewalk there's
going to be good people and bad people
walking through it so that's a message
use it well bring the next billion for
positively impacting the lives of the
many thank you
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