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I kind of would like to share with you
some ideas about the ecosystem
development in general and now about how
you can take different people together
align them under some Vision you know do
some great stuff and how to build
capacity how to resolve conflict how uh
deal with the crisis and try to
show it in the few case studies
so uh when I just joined you know what
what what did I see uh initially I was
mostly working in the development so I
was like
specifically following my narrow field
but when I started to look at the like
country in general I learned that first
of all Ukraine has one of the best
adoption rates and for specific reasons
like we don't have a Securities market
and people don't trust Banks and so on
but in the same way like the current
situation as in many countries is quite
like Gray Zone you know and uh the since
2012 or 14 there were like a bunch of
tries to propose some kind of
legislation or something that would
guide this industry but all of them
failed basically before this uh like new
president came like zelensky and he had
this vision of a country in a smartphone
you know government is a smartphone and
they created this ministry which
consisted mostly of the business people
you know and young people which was
contrasting a lot with the other other
Ministries and bodies
so I started to work there and what I
learned is like basically we can propose
something but in order to pass anything
you know we need a general consensus and
at that time you know now it's getting
much better but at that time most people
knew crypto for money laundering like
drugs and hacks and stuff like that so
it was like we needed to come and speak
to everybody and explain this only small
percent of it you know like dollar is
also like used for the same purposes it
doesn't mean we need to bond it
so uh
in order to like make this uh happen you
know I saw some specific like problems
or challenges first of all every uh
Ministry everybody or every business
they had their own agenda you know they
saw what they want to do you know like
the National Bank just sees the currency
aspect of it right and uh like or like
somebody is just looking at The Exchange
Market on the mining Market but not all
of that together you know there was no
specific vision of how that all will
strive and uh also another part is like
the businesses and the like web3 crowd
is mostly like crypto anarchic and they
hate government they don't want to even
touch it and I kill it the same but uh
also like there was no productive
dialogue you know like no attempts to to
build this connection
and also most of the like this Holy
Verse you know about like somebody wants
to do something in a position and all
that fighting happened inside of Ukraine
nobody thought wow this is like a global
like movement you know how do we become
competitive like worldwide or how do we
think about it as like not just inside
but but as general and uh
final final problem was that was that
was a middle of bear market so it was
really hard to find any resources to
develop it but even like to Illustrated
on the case even like with a project
that really got funding you know like
most of them didn't but there was this
project that Ministry was developing
like it passed the law on the what is
virtual assets basically crypto you know
like what is the key what is the wallet
stuff like that and there was a norm
that all of the service providers need
to be in some kind of register so we
should have some exchanges or Brokers
like their license is registered
somewhere and we got this task and this
funding from the uh Swiss Embassy yeah
please develop it's a nice stuff you
know like develop this registry I got
super experience the Consultants they
proposed us with three options so one is
like fully public system probably on
ethereum but maybe something um whatever
but then hybrid solution you know
semi-closed and centralized and they did
a comparison the balance scorecard you
know like on the security cost of
support the anti
like uh corruption effects and stuff
like that and all together like the
ethereum solution the public solution
was winning you know I was like they
said like we propose this solution and I
was like yes let's do that but we needed
to consult with other stakeholders and
the donors who sponsor that like we ask
them what what do they think and they
said well we will you probably have 200
companies do you really need blockchain
for this you know and then we talk to
the businesses like hey guys what do you
think we should build and they said
could you just do no registration at all
or we will take our business elsewhere
you know to other jurisdiction we don't
want to be registered at all you know
and the final like kill or this idea was
from the lawyers they said well
potentially we could use the blockchain
here but due to the uh current laws all
the information should be stored on the
server servers in the country so if you
would like to do that you need to change
this and that can be like a five-year
project you know compared to the small
case of all like we wanted to do the
half year so guess which solution we
preferred and that's like the
illustration for what's what I have to
deal with
so uh that's what led me to think more
about the vision you know how do we
create like even of course I I see the
point like it doesn't make sense to do a
200 people register your company
register on the blockchain but it's just
a start you know somebody needs to do
this change in the norm somebody needs
to start building different services and
information it's kind of open ecosystem
and stuff like that but nobody stated
that as a task you know we just solve
this small solution here and there
so I was in the search for the vision
and one of my friends from the undps
celebration lab he recommended to use
the foresight and basically the
foresight is the like it's a research
method it's the Community Development
approach it's like really hard to tell
in just few words but what it isn't for
sure it's not a prediction you know it's
not about like okay last year we earned
1 million dollars so next yeah maybe
it's two million dollars it's rather
about the different trends that can
occur and how like they can pay out
together you know what happens if all of
them materialize or none of them
materialize what then would happen who
will win and so on
so uh
one of the key ideas is that it should
be like systematic and participatory so
for that we took each of a kind we took
representatives from every Ministry you
know from National Bank to cyber police
we took parliamentaries every kind of
business social ngos economists I would
even like ecologists you know because
that was also one of the insights there
and we got them together in a set of
like offline events and zoom calls to
speak about what do they see what trends
do they see what future or like what
needs do they have
and the second aspect of it is like we
gathered all of that intelligence about
the future for our long-term Vision
process so we said like it's not for a
year it's like 20 30 you know 10 years
but many people in the ministry planning
for 10 years it was like
can't do but uh we strive for that and
uh the two key trends that we identified
whereas like first of all the asset
tokenization you know whether it would
grow or not and uh control our
personality and in the our audience
nobody believed that it won't grow
everybody believed it would grow you
know so we didn't even consider those
scenarios but where the real fight
happened is in the between this uh
personality control so mostly people
spoke about on the one hand the values
of the security you know protection of
like customers consumers and so on but
on the other hand it's like Freedom you
know no protection like we can lose our
like uh freedom but that doesn't mean
that we'll gain protection for sure you
know so at one moment we just stand it
on the line you know from the like
security to freedom and people stated
some arguments and other could you know
change their place at this and we ended
up you know like somewhere in the middle
but closer to the freedom and the
scenario would
the metaphor for this scenario we call
it digital Venice in the way of like
golden age of trade you know open trade
and prosperity lots of bridges between
all of these systems and so on in
comparison to digital dictatorship you
know where
Mass surveillance of course some maybe
big Enterprises can win you know but for
the Innovation for the consumers and so
on it doesn't
prove to be the best so this was our
like Choice there and after that what
initially happened is people started to
like they saw all of that Community
gathered around those ideas and they
started to propose different projects
you know we started to see like who's
gonna need to do what you know what
governments needs to do what business
needs to do you know that set up the
initial roadmap of our operations where
people really proposed something what
they wanted
and by the end of like this six months
extensive work I was super happy and I
was like I saw a lot of the stakeholders
we established all this contacts we had
this developmental Vision it had this
road map 70 Pages report extensive you
know education happened through this you
know people discussed you know like in
National but what is D5 what is nft and
stuff like that but one of the key ideas
is that people build trust you know I
had somebody selling like from the
business oh this guy from the financial
monitoring he's like adequate and nice
you know we can probably speak to him
and government also like our mental
workers they had like okay this Founders
entrepreneurs they're like okay they do
some nice stuff so it created the
initial basis for like human relations
in this process
and we also established a project office
you know with all these experts in 11
working groups some of them already got
funding for educational infrastructure
and I was like on the high moment of it
at that time and what you could think is
what can go wrong you know after that
well uh on February 24th the day that
most of ukrainians will remember for
long you know the war started and now
after eight months it's kind of like a
new normality you can say but the first
months I felt like would I really like
would I have to speak to like speaking
to my close one would I have a chance to
speak with them tomorrow I wasn't sure
and all of this nice developmental plans
they were also doomed you know who will
think about this Innovation at this time
so this is also like I recognized the
moment we recognized in our team that we
can't also lower hands you know this
time required us to act and to do
something and what was promising really
is that on the base of the initial trust
that people you know talking together a
bunch of projects emerged that started
to you know collect funding and one of
such projects is called date for Ukraine
it was under the ministry of digital
transformation brand and supported by a
few businesses you know so government
accepted crypto and send it to the
different purchases the key idea there
was that the supply chain requirements
were super high if they would need there
would be need in like quadricopter or
you know a car you would need it
tomorrow you know so you don't have time
to do this bureaucratic procedures or
whatever so it's speeding up the
processes a lot and the transparency of
it and
yeah that was the one the biggest one
which collected around 60 million
dollars from 50 000 people and you could
see that ethereum ecosystem played a big
role as well as like people the nature
Giants around 300 but guys like Avital
libertarian like in millions and so on
so feel free to check it out and the
other uh like projects were initiated by
a set of like business owners they said
like under our reputation we collect
These funds it's just like important at
the time many people like not only good
actors activated but Bad actors
activated where they collected like kind
of for Ukraine you know but could you
know just take this money so the brand
of ministry or the brand of like
business owners and so on it was really
important for that and like Unchained
funds they had this multi-seek you know
they like we didn't have the time to
build a full-scale you know down for
everything but we try to keep the
closest to that and you can see that the
money was sent like for different causes
we need to like be lean and agile there
was many Grassroots uh you know
initiatives that needed just small
amounts of fun so there was like this
people struggling in the other countries
migration that they had no money to
survive you know and uh they can't even
always use their money for some reason
so this help card so direct given was
also a major thing
and finally nfts nfts became like a real
thing uh Ukraine dark of like one of the
major they collected like more than six
million and they decided to distribute
those funds across the uh like trusted
ngos because like from the external view
don't know like who to donate to you
know like we don't respect too much guys
like Red Cross or somebody because they
don't go this last mile to to the real
you know like workplace and to help
those people so the the like and for
external they don't know where to give
so they kind of created this connection
where the Museum of War which connected
both the aspect of like creativity to to
the fundraising for the ministry we even
got this crypto Bank we sold for 100k
so first of all I would like to thank
you a lot for as a community for
everybody who supported it who donated
who tracked who was with us in this hard
moment after this you know nobody can
say in Ukraine that crypto is like
non-desirable or something
so yeah just just for this moment thank
you
thank you so much
sorry do I have time yeah I have some
time I'm finishing sorry
uh so uh what I proposed to like what we
can do next is like uh like let's keep
hacking you know like currently the
uh like we we got bombed all the time
you know now they like aiming at the uh
like electrical and like water
infrastructure and so on but that
doesn't stop people from like coding and
doing their work you know they work like
in the underground hotel they keep
hacking just recently there was like a
hackathon in here where vitalik was and
uh people were like thinking about the
solution that can be just like now we
need it in Ukraine but tomorrow you know
who knows which country already like if
you look at the security aspect of the
DLT like in Georgia or Taiwan they
already are thinking about the cyber
attacks that can happen in our country
it's also like quite a big problem and
uh it's also a bunch of migration
challenges because of course like
National Banks they try to like secure
macro situation you know but also people
can't always you know transfer money or
like open the bank account and uh in our
vision we're looking to to move all of
this ownership right system to
distrusted ecosystems
and just like as a final note what what
I learned through all of this experience
you know what I hope you can use in your
work as well is that uh without the
vision you know that won't work you know
we'll be still disconnected and what we
do and uh what we achieved is like the
sound sense of the shared future and the
community who was like experiencing this
shared future is like in the world we
all became kind of dull like everybody
started to work despite any conflicts
and second is that uh well while
technology can be neutral in a way you
know like but uh with the same
technology you can use you can build
either a dictatorship or like Venice
whatever like democracy so and for that
there should be a demand like
understanding from the people like
currently just you know if you present
one percent you know we need more people
to really kind of request it from the
politicians and politicians that they
move it it's kind of a long process but
without this like win-win interaction
and consent consensus it just won't
happen
and in our approach we saw that raising
awareness and education was key you know
people just if if they don't get it they
don't trust it so currently we're
launching a program to get like by 2030
more than a half of ukrainians crypto
literate and we're now education
governmental workers how to use metamask
and stuff like that so they will have
practical skills they will see it so
that would really help us in the like or
everybody help in the crisis so people
will already rely and know that
so on that note I thank you again let's
connect you have an LA in the Ukraine
government in me if you want to do
something together please find me or
connect I will be really happy to help
thank you
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